This was posted within the past week and apparently, the message is not getting out. This man tells about the 2 credentials that you receive and can "give to whomever you want" so they can travel as an insider as well. Very little was mentioned about selling travel---all about saving money on personal travel. To his credit, he did not promise riches and said that the focus of YTB is to save you money on your personal travel and "make a little money on the backside"--not exactly the same message we hear from other sources.
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My fear is: The want to be travel agent Genie is....out of the bottle. What is next!
ReplyDeleteI wonder if one of those credentials that you can share with your family and friends to get discounts is an IATAN Card.
ReplyDeleteOh wait! They don't have an IATA number any more. HMMM. Maybe he's talking about his blockbuster video card or something instead.
To clarify how 2 credentials are issued...
ReplyDeleteThis is if 2 people jointly operate the same travel website (ie. husband and wife, sister and brother, 2 friends, etc.) If 2 people operate the same website, then the 2 people split the commissions and earnings. Let's say a website produces $1000.00 in commission from booked travel. Well both people that operate that website split that commission 50/50. If they bring in a recruit, then the $50 earnings is split 50/50. Both people don't get $1000.00 or $50 each. Understand?
Unlike other YTB videos I've seen, this one was very well put together. He could have explained a little further about trainings and tech support though.
Also, let me add that as of January 1, 2008, those credentials have to be earned.
The guy clearly says that you can give the credentials to whomever you like. Again, regardless if it is in fact true, he does state that you can just dish them out like candy to whoever you want to be able to get the perks.
ReplyDeleteI agree, compared to a lot of them, it was done a bit better. I think it was funny that his wife did the interviewing and it was obvious.
And I know about the January 1 rule. This was known to the RTAs a LONG time ago as well. It was used as a huge sales pitch at my meeting to sign up before January 1. I guess this guy missed the memo because he is either just putting out more misinformation or just does not care. Look at the date it was posted.
I looked at the guy's website. Did you see some of the earnings he's claiming?
ReplyDelete"So why do I quote these figures to you? Simple! Because you have the opportunity at your finger tips to own your very own business using the same multi-million dollar online booking website and support that paid over 1.4 Million dollars in travel commissions for the month of November alone."
Oh even better!!! You can go to his website and sign up for a conference call with Level 1 director Phil Piccolo. I wonder if he's dialing them in from prison?
ReplyDeleteIt's simply getting silly now that the vendors do not see or choose to ignore this nonsense. Clearly these people are not in it at all to sell travel, but to book their own, pocket the money and take the perks. It's sleezy at best.
ReplyDeleteTT--that may be correct. I am sure HE did not earn that, but if YTB paid $1M in July, it is possible that they are paying $1.4M in November.
ReplyDelete$10.29 per month per RTA. And for those that say they are all new, let's assume the commission was earned by the RTAs that were enrolled before January--what about 60,000? $23.33 per month per RTA.
But wait, they are not ALL active and since nearly 80% of the RTAs traditionally earn ZERO, let's take 20% of the 60,000 and say this is the number that earned anything. (12,000 RTAs--consistent with the July numbers) that means that the RTAs that earned anything earned about $116.66 per month.
Of course, that is grounds for a press release stating that the November figures indicate that our RTAs saw a 103% INCREASE in earnings during the last four months.
You guys did more than me...seriously..Phil Piccolo is a Level One Director?
ReplyDeleteI guess that Yale to Jail Penn State or State Pen is not just a cliche. But then again, as the Coach likes to say---if it ain't true, don't say it!
JF and coach also says...If it's not right, Don't do it John F.
ReplyDeleteOf course...you always leave out part of the facts...
Nothing changing here in 2008 Huh.
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JF..I have never threatened anyone in this industry with personal harm...I would appreciate it if you would quit saying otherwise..or get someone Mark or whoever to put up any proof of it.
We all know, none exist.
Oh here comes EAB....and as most judges say, and I work in the legal area quite a bit, when a person says prove it, they are guilty. I mean why would someone have to PROVE it if your not guilty...never made any sense. Hey EAB....can you tell us why you let out a fake press release?? I bet you can't, go crawl back into the cow pen on the farm.
ReplyDeleteHow much fat have you lost? Still waiting for this joke...blame it on a ailment, on the hospital whatever...we all know the truth...something you can't comprehend.
Fact is...Phil Piccolo is a YTB director...check for yourself. He's usually listed under "One-Man Crime Wave".
ReplyDeleteHey John,
ReplyDeleteDid I miss it or have you touched on the Phil "The One Man Internet Crime Wave" Piccolo joining YTB?
I don't have sound on my computer, but I hope that some of you are putting comments on these videos :-)
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone know how to change them to do a "spoof" on them? If nothing else, it might be kind of fun ;-)
There is no denying the fact that if you use the YTB site for your own use and you spend at least $6000 in annual travel this thing pays for itself regardless of all the other benefits.
ReplyDeleteTravelocity II
Enough said.
Bou
"The guy clearly says that you can give the credentials to whomever you like. Again, regardless if it is in fact true, he does state that you can just dish them out like candy to whoever you want to be able to get the perks."
ReplyDeleteWell, he was totally WRONG when he said that!!! If you join as 1 person, you get 1 credential! if you join jointly with another person (sharing the same business website) you then each get a credential.
Of course, noe credentials must be earned!
Let me ask you this. If I booked on Travelocity, Travelocity gets the commission to create more advertising. If I book it on my website, I get 60% (70% in my case) of YTB's commission. How is that ripping off the industry? The hotels, cruiselines, airlines, etc. all get their money... pay YTB, who in turn pays me.
ReplyDeleteNow, if it's a FAM trip.I get paid NO commission and the hotels, cruiselines, airlines, etc. still make their money!
Oh, I get it now! It's because I have my own website, I am not coming to you for travel earning you commissions on top of paying you an agent fee!
What work did you do in order to deservce that commission? And it's not about you - it's about doing zero work for your clients as well and getting paid commission when all you should get is a $25 referrral fee.
ReplyDeleteBouwou said...
ReplyDeleteThere is no denying the fact that if you use the YTB site for your own use and you spend at least $6000 in annual travel this thing pays for itself regardless of all the other benefits.
Travelocity II
Enough said.
Bou
And just how do you figure this? For $6000, it is conceivable that that is for only 3 plane tickets, for which you are paid a grand total of $9.00. If you sell nothing but plane tickets off your site, at $3.00 "commission" per ticket, you would have to sell a minimum of 200 tickets per year to cover the cost of the website.
Yes, I know that there are some that sell other than plane tickets, and are making higher commissions, but bouwou has stated on his own blog that he hasn't made any money back, other than on his own travel, so it would seem no one is really using his site, so I want to know how he figures all this out.
Let me inform once again that i personally take my travel business one step further than just having a website. I also deal with both my clients and the vendors personally. I have been trained to do so, so this is how I do it. I earn every cent of commission I get!
ReplyDeleteWhat does Expedia do to earn their commission? Their clients just click and order!
Again, we have another commenter who doesn't know a thing about YTB and believes it's just what he/she saw in the video above. How tragic.
Proud, here's the thing. Lots of people believe that the video is a reflection of what YTB is about because there is soooo much stuff like that out there. If there is a UTube video anywhere that talks about the importance of training and servicing your clients, then by all means send it over! If we are misinformed it is because of the stuff that YTBers have produced, not because we made it up.
ReplyDeleteIn regards to your comments about fees, I can tell you that the type of things that we deal with are far more complicated that a person would want to trust to an on-line site. A profession service merits a professional fee. It's that simple. While I do not charge fees, I do require a retainer, and the clients that I have are darned happy to pay it as they understand the value of what they are getting. There is so much more to travel than just a few mouse clicks Proud. Lots more. If I am willing to take the time to go to your meeting, I would ask that you keep an open mind as well. If you understood what MY job entails, you would have no issue with the fees or retainers.
"What does Expedia do to earn their commission? Their clients just click and order!"
ReplyDeleteExpedia at least does have people who answer phones to help with problems. Was it you or some other YTB idiot who kept saying over and over again that if the "client books on-line and there's a problem, that's his problem - he has to call the vendor directly"?
OK so this is a good example of one of the YTB problems. Mr Big Shot Director is telling us that all this is wrong. Yet this video is out there for the world to see. And believe. So far there are 35 views on the video? How many people have you told this was false? See....there is so much mis-information out there and YTB is doing NOTHING to correct it.
ReplyDeleteI know he is wrong Proud. I know you are probably more correct. BUt that does not negate the fact that you are in the minority here. Yes, you service your clients in the manner in which you say. That is great. But the majority of RTAs do not have clients to service and the majority of the ones that DO have clients are of the type to just say ---go online and book it and if there is a problem call the vendor.
The MAJORITY of YTBers I've encountered have said they signed up to "TRAVEL LIKE AN AGENT". Not to actually sell travel or websites. They no nothing of the industry, they send people to a faceless site, and when the client has issues, they are sent to a VENDOR/AIRLINE AGENT DEDICATED LINE, tying up the lines. I've seen this numerous times. The Expedia's, Orbitz etc actually have a staff that take the clients issues personally and deal with them..Not great at it..but at least they try. They do not tell the client to call the airline directly. If you are not doing anything TO EARN the commission, why the hell should you be entitled to it? Thats the point. I've seen YTB'ers online posting in travel forums where they knew nothing when asked questions on travel related items, one didnt even know that AMEX had travel agencies...that to me is disgusting. If you book travel, and service your clients..great..your the minority of the group. You should be angry with your peers for making your company as a whole look like fools.
ReplyDeleteTravellisa said, "You should be angry with your peers for making your company as a whole look like fools."
ReplyDeleteAnd, you should be angry with your peers in the following news article making traditional travel agents "look like fools". You and your support groups do nothing about this sort of stuff, do you?
December 5, 2007
Two St. Louis County travel agents indicted on criminal charges at request of Nixon
Clayton, Mo. — Two St. Louis County women are facing criminal charges for defrauding consumers in the sale of vacation travel packages. Patricia Pohlman (DOB 1-8-55) and Debra Clines (DOB 12-12-62), President and Vice-President of Apollo Travel of Florissant, were arrested today after being indicted on charges of unlawful merchandising practices by the St. Louis County grand jury at the request of Attorney General Jay Nixon.
Pohlman is charged with six counts, and Clines four counts, of unlawful merchandising practices in connection with a travel agency the women ran. According to the indictment, the women were paid substantial sums of money as down payments for vacation packages to such locales as Jamaica, Mexico, Hawaii and Las Vegas, but did not use the money to pay for the trips nor did they provide refunds.
No that annoys me as well. But without knowing what type agency they worked for/with I have nobody to complain to. If its a mom & pop then nothing can be done. I work for a chain, and anything that a CWT agent did would reflect bad on all of us. I do not blame YTB for all MLM issues, just the YTB ones. Shall I start digging for the YTB complaints on the internet..I'm quite sure there are some I can google as well.
ReplyDeleteAgain, I have always recommended to make sure you check out whoever you are doing business with before hand.
ReplyDeleteIs YTB a member of ASTA? A member of the BBB in St. Louis?
IATAN even lent some more credibility to YTB
Never the less, you traditional TA's live in glass houses. Be careful about throwing stones.
ReplyDeleteSome of you TA's make me think of this famous Hank Williams song.
"Mind your own business...
If mind your business, then you won't be mindin mine."
"Mindin other peoples business seems to be high-toned
I got all that I can do just to mind my own"
"Why dont you mind your own business? If you mind your own business, you'll stay busy all the time." BOOKIN TRAVEL!
Booking travel...something 90% of YTB has no clue about. Yeah mind their business because they are calling the YTbers out on their lies and you can't get your lies straight. Guess that bothers you eh? Lies is what YTB is built on!
ReplyDeleteYou YTbers can't get anything straight. Ask any of them, they will all give you different answers.
Anonymous--let's make a deal, the TTAs will mind their own business of travel. And the YTBers can mind their iwn business of recruiting and building pyramids and we can end this now!
ReplyDeleteHell, if you like, we can end it if you want to mind the flower shop, car dealer, and camping supply store. Just get the hell out of travel--something which most are ill equipped to understand!
john, thank you for addressing the fact that I was trained, and know what I am doing when it comes to booking travel for people.
ReplyDeleteNow, I wasn't saying that the whole video was entirely wrong. I was just making a correction about the credentials part. You in turn tried to negate it when all you have to do is give YTB HQ a call to find out that what i have said about 2 sets of credentials is right on the money.
As far as scam goes, he hasn't said anything of his own mind. I wonder if he can think for himself at all. All I heard from him is he agreement to whatever an anti-YTBer said. Take the other video for example. John posted it and automaticly scam presumed that John didn't like it. H ethen posted a comment that he though would please John. On the contrary, John did like it. He's just pissed that a relative of his joined YTB and has nothing to show for it. Hey scam! Your relative is a lazy unmotivated person to begin with and probably has no business in any part of the business world! Later on in life, you will probably end up supporting him until the day you die because he's so lazy! I don't mean to be so harsh, but face it... it's true!
Those that work have success!
those who don't... fail! Your relative will be a failure unless he changes his ways!
As far as leaving travel goes, that will not happen! If YTB goes, then so has to Travelocity, Expedia, Orbitz, Priceline, etc. We all know that will never happen either!
You say Expedia has a call center to help with problems with booked travel. SO DOES YTB!!! We have everything Expedia has plus more!
As far as being open minded goes, look who is calling the kettle black now! You can't even be open minded about my views! Maybe if your friend TravelPro came in and said the same things I said, maybe you would open your mind more because he is such a great friend of yours.
As far as the You-Tube videos go, we all know that they are NOT approved by YTB. Theyre just people being creative in trying to recruit. That's all... nothing else.
John said, "Just get the hell out of travel--something which most are ill equipped to understand!"
ReplyDeleteCheese Whiz John, relax! Have another drink.
Like the song said, "Mind your own business". You do your thing, we do ours. Sorry you are so jealous and feel sooooooo threatened, scared and fearful!
Have a nice tomorrow booking travel.
P.S. I'm not even going to respond to the one mental cripple on this blog, YTBSCAM. Clearly he is going through critical mass meltdown.
Hey brain dead...yeah Proud...I never mentioned anything about Expedia you idiot. Get off the kook-aid.
ReplyDeleteMy relatives, actually two of them, haven't made a dime. One is just recruiting the other isn't doing a damn thing. The one recruiter is promoting SELF travel only...like most of YTB. They are stupid, I have called them out. I have called their "TEAM LEADER" out. The leader even stated that she doesn't have a computer but YTB will provide her one. Typical YTB drival.....they don't talk to me now because I have proved them wrong on many points, just as many have proved you wrong, but you continue to spew out your crap.
And it had nothing to do with John not liking the video..everything to do with what the video meant....go back and reread it you idiot! Jesus the YTB people get more brain dead by the hour...Proud being one of the biggest idiots.
Why is it that when someone agrees with John F., the person who finally had the cojones to say something about all the travel MLM's in the world, we're just being his "yes" men, but when people in YTB agree with whatever "Coach" says, they're being smart? Talk about hippocrits.
ReplyDeleteProud---seriously, you are not making a case for YTB....I did not say you knew what you were doing while booking travel. I will go so far as to say you don't as is evidenced by your insistence that AI is the only way to travel. Pretty narrow mind.
ReplyDeleteI am not here to please everyone or anyone for that matter. I am trying to shed some light on a questionable company, questionable ethics, and proven non-qualifications!
I do not care that YTB did not approve the videos. THEY ARE OUT THERE and they are telling the YTB story and as you said parts of it are false! Why does YTB not care? That is easy--because they are getting rich off these dolts that do this every day. They will continue to do it till they get in trouble and are shut down, or they move along to the next scam.
You keep touting that you have a call center---BIG FREAKING DEAL. I have already told you that I personally verified that they are unable to sell travel. The others that you mention have call centers as well, but you know what, they have TRAINED people handling them. You don't. Or maybe you do. I have seen reports stating both. Some say they are uber experienced agents backing you up. Others say that they are there to sell certificates only. So which is it? Which mis-information should I believe?
Once again, we have a post that has some very solid points against the MLM model and a ton of comments from YTBers--most saying nothing--work hard get results, your family is stupid, that is not right, blah blah blah.
Please do not accuse me of not having an open mind to this--on my own time I went to one of your meetings and now of all the meetings in the world, I happened to pick THE ONLY ONE that was the wrong one to go to. If I did not happen to have an open mind, why would I even interact with such idiocy?
And finally, I have to agree with the poster who questioned the agreements between the two sides.
On the TTA side if a TTA disagrees with a YTB they ask a question and interact. If a YTB disagrees with a TTA position, they merely restate the same crap that whatever we presented was some sort of anomaly.
And also true that when someone agrees with me they are put down, yet when you follow "the Coach" it is Einsteinian thinking! WTF?
Since Proud seems to think he runs the absolute best, and most correct meetings out there, I'm still waiting for him to tell us when and where he holds his meetings, so that someone from the traditional side can go and hear what he has to say. Every time I ask about it, all he can say is to go to a local meeting. Why is he so afraid of having someone attend one of his meetings? Is it because he puts out the same information that John heard in Maryland, and we all hear in the YouTube presentations?
ReplyDeleteYTB has a support department? Where? Every site I've been too gives you the same vendor info if you have a problem with a booking. It sends you directly to the vendor. THAT IS NOT CUSTOMER SERVICE. Even Expedia, Orbitz & such do not do this. If I told a client to call the airlines directly, I would be fired. Thats insane. You made the booking, your getting paid for it. YOU SERVICE IT...PERIOD! But they don't..why...because they are not travel agents. Don't use the title if you will not do whats required to earn such title.
ReplyDeleteAs for the idiot with the glass houses comment. Again, I am not blaming YTB for all MLM or internet companies issues...I'm blaming them for their OWN issues. If someone from my office was in trouble for wrong doings..you can guarantee that my office would make good with the client. Every travel agent cannot be held accountable for ever other agents doings. Just like I cannot blame YTB for another MLM..just YTB idiocy...and vice versa. You should ALWAYS KNOW with whom you do business, before you do it.
We aren't going anywhere. Internet companies have been around a while now, and according to news agencies, travel is down with online bookings. I for one just got a huge account that was using an online agency, and got tired of the BS and lack of customer care. So am I worried about YTB stealing busines..no. I'm concerned about the people that join that have no common sense, no travel knowledge, no skills whatsoever who are "proclaiming" to be TA's and giving us all a bad name. If they simply want to hawk websites..go for it..but don't pretend to be something your not, to earn something your not entitled to. Commissions are for the "sale" of travel, if your not selling and serving those bookings..the most you should get is a referral fee...because after all thats what you are..a referral agent.
And as for the "everyone jump onboard with John". For me personally, I was defending travel agents before I even met John or heard about this site or any other. I used to go on Craigs List to help people in my off time, until the YTB idiots started coming in and boasting their "travel like a travel agent" crap. They were quickly spammed for not reading the rules of the board!
Lisa, I can tell you exactly what the response from the YTBers to your post will be, because it is the same old BS that they always come back with.
ReplyDeleteThey will say that the "call center" is for RTA's only to call, and that if someone has a problem with any reservation made, they are supposed to contact the RTA who owns the site. Well, we all know that that is BS because on the majority of the standardized websites, there is NO contact information for the RTA. Then, we have the wonderful response that we got from someone a while back that said that if there is a problem, then it is their problem. I'm sure we all remember that one.
They will say that there doesn't need to be contact info on the websites, because all their clients are friends and family, and know how to contact them anyway. Well, their friends and family must have photographic memories. With all the different contact info for all the people we know now a days, do you remember the phone numbers for each and every person that you know? I don't. And what of those people that happen to run across the website just by doing a web search? It's a flawed arguement, but the one that will be put forth.
Getting back to the video...he didn't make a mistake and forget to say you can only give your "credentials" to someone you co-joined with...he's quite clear that you can give them to anyone. At the meeting I went to couples were encouraged to each get their own site so one would be closer to getting a team bonus. The couple that were the guest hosts each had their own site, that's the way YTB would prefer it. And at this point I don't even know what those "credentials" would be or what good they could do anyone who borrowed them. Without an IATA number isn't it just a YTB Photo ID card?
ReplyDeleteI really can't understand why vendors are basically letting YTB sell discounts and rebates.
Effective now, you need to book $1500 (I believe) through your website before getting the YTB Photo ID Credential.
ReplyDeleteEssentially the credential is an "employee" ID card. Any agency could issue one. The difference is that their ID card is somewhat misleading (surprise) in that on the front it does say TRAVEL AGENT. It also lists the CLIA/IATAN number on it as well.
An employee ID might include a photo and an employee number, but I do not know of any company that puts their EIN number (or other supposedly sensitive number) on their identifications
So what good is that card when you get to a hotel's front desk and the number is no longer valid?
ReplyDeleteDoes a front desk clerk know what an "official" card looks like for IATAN, CLIA? Would they check?
ReplyDeleteAgain, it is smarmy--they are banking on being able to say "here's my IATAN number and I want a discount" or a check in clerk either not knowihng better or too busy to check, and just letting them get away with it.
No different than a client of yours grabbing your ARC number off a ticket and trying to scam a supplier out of believing they are entitled to a discount.
Unfortunately with technology, creating a counterfeit identity is VERY easy
Hey scam, I didn't say that YOU said it. If you notice that it wasn't in the same paragraph addressing you! i know that an anonymous said it.
ReplyDeleteTalk about braion dead... LOL!!!
"My relatives, actually two of them, haven't made a dime. One is just recruiting the other isn't doing a damn thing. The one recruiter is promoting SELF travel only...like most of YTB. They are stupid, I have called them out. I have called their "TEAM LEADER" out. The leader even stated that she doesn't have a computer but YTB will provide her one. Typical YTB drival.....they don't talk to me now because I have proved them wrong on many points, just as many have proved you wrong, but you continue to spew out your crap."
ReplyDeleteI rest my case! Your relatives got nothing because they've done nothing! You said it yourself!
YTB supplies computers??? When did this happen???
Man, you're so full of BS you're rolling in it!
Speaking of "missed messages"......
ReplyDeleteDid we ever get a response to:
How does your air get booked? YTB number or Travelocity number?
Sure hope I didn't miss it ;-)
Hey Travellisa, when you book something on a YTB website, along with your confirmation number and itinerary, you also receive a 1-800 # which if you call it, the other end picks up and says, "thank you for calling YTB. How may i assist you today". then they will make any changes accourding to the reason you called.
ReplyDeleteProud--are you sure you are not that "dumb blonde" that is the butt of all those jokes?
ReplyDeleteScam was saying that his family member's "leader" said YTB will provide a computer. Again, this is false as we all probably know, but this once again PROVES that the RTAs and Reps will say anything out there without any type of ramifications from HQ--as long as they keep paying, they can do whatever they want.
Luanne--no there is no answer on that. I suspect that we will never see one and can only find out by purchasing a ticket through them and seeing if it is indicated. I suspect that it is Travelocity--which of course lends more credence to my position that they are NOT travel agents. It is also possibly why they can cover the RTAs on E&O insurance since they can tell the insurance company that they book air through a reputable company. Also, I suspect the fact that they encourage you to book online has something to do with that as well!
and to quote what John said regarding what I do for my clients, "I know he is wrong Proud. I know you are probably more correct. BUt that does not negate the fact that you are in the minority here. Yes, you service your clients in the manner in which you say. That is great."
ReplyDelete"The leader even stated that she doesn't have a computer but YTB will provide her one."
ReplyDeleteScam posted this on this board with hie own hands, so it came from him. I have to accept it as nonsense, because NEVER in history has YTB either supplied a computer to anyone or even offered to supply one!
Proud--welcome to Kindergarten 101!
ReplyDeleteScam did type that and he was telling you what he had heard. That YTB would supply a computer.
We do know that it is false. Well at lease we kind of assume it is false.
But it was NOT scam that said it, it was a YTB person that said it.
The issue I keep bringing up is that YTB people will say anything they want with no repercussions. Ergo:"
EAB sent a press release stating that YTB was bringing forth legal action against the traditional travel agents.
Many claimed that YTB sold in excess of 50,000 cruises, and subsequently reduced that number to the closest thing we can get to the truth of about 6000.
YTB has claimed that they will offer Olympic packages for $899 including air from LAX
You claimed at one point to be earning close to $100K in travel commissions. But when caught, it was a simple mistake.
Metre Wisham says YTB is buying her a Cocaine White Bentley Convertible.
YTB has claimed that there are all these freebies and upgrades and FAMS available
YTB said they sold $226 Million in travel in 2006, then had to backpedal because they were not quite sure of the actual number but it was close enough for PR work.
YTB has told the RTAs that they should purchase their brochures through YTB. When they know full well, that I can undercut them on brochure sales by at least 50%!
See where I am going? Some numbskull in YTB told someone that YTB provides computers and now it is coming back here and making YTB look like clowns. Maybe if YTB wouold be a little less deceptive and a little more forthcoming, we woudl not have these problems. Maybe if they told the RTAs to shut up and stop spewing lies and making them look like a fool we might be on the way to a resolution.
Proud to be YTB said...
ReplyDelete"The leader even stated that she doesn't have a computer but YTB will provide her one."
Scam posted this on this board with hie own hands, so it came from him. I have to accept it as nonsense, because NEVER in history has YTB either supplied a computer to anyone or even offered to supply one!
Get with it proud, this is offered as an example of what people already within YTB are telling others to get them to join. None of us is saying that YTB said they were going to supply a computer. Someone already in YTB said that YTB will supply the computer.
...and so scam says that somebody said.
ReplyDeleteAnd proud, just because you say something, we're supposed to take that as gospel truth? If you're so truthful about everything, why don't you tell us when and where you hold your meetings, so that one of us can attend, and see for ourselves?
ReplyDelete...and why is it that when scam says something we are supposed to disbelieve it and when you say something, we are to take it as the truth?
ReplyDeleteDid I miss a press release promoting you to Assistant Coach?
And remember back when...you could not comprehend the difference between sales and commissions, selling travel and selling websites?
Gosh, lately all you have been doing to respond to any issue is saying work hard=reward no work=no reward. There eat crow! like that proved anything other than you are moderately able to utilize a keyboard.
So, in terms of reliability, my money is leaning towards scam.
So you magically get an 800# when you actually book something with YTB on the website. Who takes that call? The agent who's site it is.? No.! So YOU are not servicing it. Someone somewhere else is? And if this magic support desk exists..why the hell are people giving vendor numbers out for help? It seems to be a game of circles with YTB with everything. A website does it, the RTA does it, an 800 does it, sales vs commissions, what they say vs what they dont. If someone was actually honest and straightforward about the whole damn thing..maybe us REAL agents wouldn't be so pissed off.
ReplyDeleteAnd we're supposed to accept your words as gospel Ainsworth? I don't think so.
ReplyDeleteKindergarten john? Well, with you all here, AI feel like it's kinderagrten.
I will tell it again in plain english... again.
The RTA either points a client to his/her website or books travel with the client directly by calling the vendors directly.
It is then that the client receives their confirmation number and the 1-800 number use to cancel or change their itinerary. The RTA may also with client approval call the 1-800 number, supply the client's info (name, confirmation #, credit card #) to make the desired changes.
Now if you don't understand that, there's absolutely no hope in the world for you!
With that said, I am now through with the 1-800 # subject! If you have any more questions about it, call YTB HQ!!!
Obviously you can't read Proud. I said at the meeting with multiple relatves this "leader" stated that she didn't have a computer, but YTB WOULD SUPPLY HER ONE SOON. What don't you get? Or you just comprehend english I suppose. It was also stated, the meeting this "leader" was at, when she went to use my Uncles computer, she didn't have a clue about it.
ReplyDeleteAlso the first thing they did was ask around the room, where would you like to go if you had one choice, they went around the room. The YTBS acted like they were 5 years olds, jumping up and down screaming about where they would like to go. Then the typical YTB response, you can go for cheap like a travel agent BS lines.
I didn't go because I refused, my Aunt who just joined the scam, called me on the phone and went into the typical YTB crap. 99% of her speech was about travel perks...nothing about selling travel. The last 1% was about making residual income, and that lasted maybe 10 seconds.
Then she went into telling me how you friend has a 6k check she can show me, bleah bleah bleah.(you'd think with 6k she could buy her own computer LOL)
This same person used to call my parents twice a week, and since they turned her down (yeah most of my family is smart, they did get a couple of suckers), she hasn't called once.
All she is doing is recruiting now, nothing about selling, shes dropping her cards in freakin bathrooms now.....the YTBers never cease to amaze me...Proud you being one of the worst.
YTB is full of liards and cheats and your types just prove it.
You brought up the check. I had heard at one point, that the bonus "checks" (the $10,000, checks et al) were not indeed negotiable for cash but were issued for redemption of shares of stock.
ReplyDeleteCan anyone confirm or deny this?
John,
ReplyDeleteWhen you get a second check out your PM on scam.com
So, you say what was said is that the leader didn't have a computer, and you still say that the leader said that YTB will supply one. I read this perfectly, and I still call BS!
ReplyDeleteYTBers jumping around like 5th graders? Wow! What meeting did you go to? Again, I call BS!
Also...
Scam said, "I didn't go because I refused, my Aunt who just joined the scam, called me on the phone and went into the typical YTB crap."
So, here it is! Scam didn't go and witness it. He is hearing it from someone who heard it from someone. Also, he talks about how his aunt tried to demonstrate YTb to him. Well, as stated by scam, his aunt is new in the business. I thing the words he used were "just joined". Therefore, she doesn't yet know too much about YTB.
A 10 second speech about the compensation plan???? WOW! That's a record!
Scam, you're so full of BS, you're swimming in it.
"You brought up the check. I had heard at one point, that the bonus "checks" (the $10,000, checks et al) were not indeed negotiable for cash but were issued for redemption of shares of stock.
Can anyone confirm or deny this?"
DENIED! Actual $10,000 checks are handed out. Buying stock is an option. Nobody is forced to either buy stock or have their payments given in the form of stocks. This is real money which you really claim on taxes as income.
Proud,
ReplyDeleteYour hopeless. Actually I heard about it from multiple relatives that went to the meeting. It wasn't just one person. And she did the same exact thing when she called me on the phone, it was a pathetic attempt to recruit me.
I wouldn't expect you to understand it, since you can't comprehend a damn thing.
Proud,
ReplyDeleteYes 10 seconds and this came from her mouth on the phone, the only thing she said not only can you travel for discounted there is the other side, residual income, my friend got a 6k check and I can show you. That takes roughly 10 seconds to say....that was the ONLY time she mentioned selling travel you idiot. Stop trying to warp what everyone is saying. The only BS is what you type and say. You have been caught in so many lies, I'm starting to wonder if your even part of YTB in the first place. But then again that is what YTB lives on lies lies lies.
So, she didn't tell you the compensation plan at all. all was mentioned was the word "residual income" and "$6000"... and you have absolutely no clue as to what that means because again, since you already have your mind made up that you hate YTB, you fail to listen to the facts when they are presented to you.
ReplyDeleteActually I had already looked up YTB, I knew the call was coming, she was bothering every relative and friend that I know. Not only this she was hitting up my mothers side of the family that has nothing to do with her.
ReplyDeleteYTB is like a drug, once you get it inside you can't get it out, you need your fix, you cant stop and wont stop no matter how bad it is for you. The kook-aid is right up your ally Proud.
Actually, the 5th grader comment is one that i can very easily believe. At my meeting, when they were introducing the Direcotr, if you will recall, all the "plants" were whooping and cheering like it was some prize fighter about to enter the ring. Actually, he was kept in the hallway while they did the into and made a grand entrance.
ReplyDeleteBack to the check thing...I am trying to figure out where I heard it, do they offer an incentive to take it in stock as opposed to cash? OK, here is your $10,000 in cash but if you want, we can give you $15,000 in shares?
Proud,
ReplyDeleteOnce again you are wrong, I said 5 year olds...how many 5 year olds do you know in 5th grade? I can't name one. Once again you don't read what you talk about. Your a idiot plain and simple.
Don't insult the 5th graders saying they acted like YTBers....if YTBers had half the class a 5th grader had I'd be happy. It was a 5 yr old!
Again, proud talks about how "bad" all these other meetings that people go to are. I have challenged him many times, several in this thread alone, to tell us where he holds his "perfect" meetings, where he does nothing but tell the truth, yet he still will not tell us, so that someone can check it out. If proud wants us to take him seriously, and to take what he says as "gospel truth", then let one of us check out one of his meetings sometime.
ReplyDeleteI don't think your going to have to worry about that, what Proud spouts out is typical YTB crap, or maybe Proud isn't who he says he is and just comes in here to tout this or that and really has no connection to YTB. That might explain why he is so confused about everything, and gets caught in lies all the time.
ReplyDelete"Back to the check thing...I am trying to figure out where I heard it, do they offer an incentive to take it in stock as opposed to cash? OK, here is your $10,000 in cash but if you want, we can give you $15,000 in shares?"
ReplyDeleteIncentive to take stocks??? This is all new to me! I highly doubt you heard it from a reputable sourece John.
Scam, the only think I so called lied about was when it came to travel sales/commissions. If you recall, I did start out calling them travel sales... which they were. Somewhere along the lines, I began to call them commissions. when it was pointed out to me, I realized what I have done, and stated that I meant "travel sales" all along.
As for Ainsworth, I remain as just Proud to be YTB here for a very good reason. A few associates of mine who have revealed themselves to the traditional travel agents here (No, it asn't EAB), have had their inbox flooded with nothing but hate mail. I don't want that to happen to me. no, you cannot come to my meeting, but I can direct you to a few great ones.
Thursday nights 7:30 pm Doubletree hotel Tampa
Tuesdays and Thursdays 7:30 Your ticket to Paradise center, Clearwater
Courtyard Marriott Every Tuesday
1605 Richard Petty Blvd. 7:00 PM
Daytona Beach, FL 34606
I even attend those ones from time to time because I am out and about helping my downline bring new people in. I also even get up and do the presentation every now and then.
Proud--thanks for the locales, we will see if someone can attend and give their perspective.
ReplyDeleteAs to the emailboxes being flooded, somehow I doubt that. To be honest, I have received relatively little mail and I am pretty upfront about my email. Doug is open about his as well---and I woudl think if he were receiving hate mail in his email box (instead of Kool Aid in his real mail box) he would have let me know.
But in case it is true, I would ask everyone on both sides of this issue to conduct themselves with decorum.
You're welcome John.
ReplyDeleteYep, I didn't figure proud was proud enough to tell us where his meetings were held. He wants us to believe everything he says, but he is not forthcoming with any information that can be verified. Typical.
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