It seems that while the top producing agents of YTB were sailing the Sensation to Bahamas to feed the ego of the Tomers, the details of the Olympic packages appeared on their websites. Well, so did the issues on Ted Lindauer's as well, but that is an entirely different discussion.
As expected, the "unbeatable" deal, is. Actually, it is really not that much of a deal to begin with and appears to be VERY restrictive. You can check it out here and snoop around for yourself.
URL: http://ytb.spring-tour.com/ytb/TourList.aspx
Just a few highlights for those interested in traveling to China for the Olympics:
- 14 preselected departure dates ranging from 7-11 days
- Currently (and curiously) all show that 9 positions have been sold in each package
- Hotels are NOT guaranteed--just a disclaimer stating "or similar class"
- One of the tours begins in New York and drops you off at the end in LA--odd
- You do not have admission to all th events as excpected. It is typically 4 events over two days and they are first round events at that
- The ceremony tickets seem to not be available
- Some, but not all tickets have been acquired, there are a lot of "TBA"s for the events
- It is NOT all inclusive as one Director insisted; most breakfasts are included and a few lunches and dinners--the Package #3 only offers one lunch and one dinner
- The sightseeing is way too ambitious to enjoy the culture and history--The Great Wall AND the Summer Palace in one day and back to the hotel in time for dinner??
- When you compare a 7 day YTB tour with an 11 night Globus tour (and add in event tickets and the opening ceremony tickets purchased separately), it costs $100 LESS per person--11 nights versus 7 days...opening ceremonies versus watching it in Chinese television in your hotel room..
- Several competitive packages are available and they are on known airlines and are members of the United States Tour Operators Association (USTOA). I would rather fly Cathay Pacific than Shanghai Springs any day.
So, is this really a good deal for the consumers? Not so much! They are overpaying for an unknown product. Events are not guaranteed and they have considerable additional costs involved. Why does YTB feel it is such a good deal? Probably because they were able to negotiate a 25% commission on the program with Shanghai Springs. So, if you are planning on booking a trip to the Olympics, and are looking for a bottom of the barrel price and experience, I suggest you buy it from your local YTB Referring Travel Agent with one condition--negotiate the price. They have a minimum of $1000 per person and I would be willing to bet they will work with you. But remember, you do get what you pay for! If you are looking for an experience to last a lifetime (rather than a nightmare) then go ahead and call a local travel agent or book with a company with a solid reputation and one that might offer you some protection and service if things go wrong!
Edit: 553PMEST 14January 2008. Corrected YTB Tour URL
"If your looking for an experience to last a lifetime, book with a local travel agent."
ReplyDeleteJust make sure you don't give them a check or cash.
For sure, no matter who flys me to China...after all I've learned about the traditional agents ripping off customers in 2007 and the total disregard of the traditional industry, it's "leaders", ex John, and the
media, I'm booking my travel online and direct with a major company like YTB, Travelocity...
Now spin that.
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So when are you going?
ReplyDeleteEddie; You want to come along? Isn't this a little early for you.
ReplyDeleteSmile.
Call me, here all day.
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Earl,
ReplyDeleteYou seem to have a really unhealthy dislike for traditional travel agents.
There is a lot of room for a spirited intelligent debate, but you seem to have gone around the bend.
I believe the majority of the posts on this board reflect that traditional agents have taken some time to investigate what the mlm model is about. John went to a meeting, and I challenged Proud to send me the meeting schedule here in Ohio so I could go check it out for myself. I believe that some MLMers like Doug have taken the time to explore that traditional agent's business model as well.
We obviously don't think it's as great as you do. But I don't believe that you will find traditional agents stooping to the level that you have to try to make a point.
Again, I have seen you on your fancy webcam, and you're old enough to be my dad Earl. If you would like to make the case that YTB is better than being a traditional agent, than please go ahead. If you're here to accuse traditional agents like myself of being criminals,you should give some thought to the side effects of what you are posting.
It is because of people like you making nasty, unprovable comments that people have such a low opinion of mlmers in the first place. You are damaging the reputation of YTB far more than you are enhancing it.
Let's see Great Wall and Summer Palace in one day? Sounds like one of those get off the bus, get photo taken in front of the wall, get lavatory break, and back on the buss for Summer Palace...
ReplyDeleteI'd definitely push to sell this with Globus instead.....
The nine seats already booked on all tours? Sounds strange - perhaps holding seats for YTB staff to go along "free"?
Nine seats is a marketing tool--sometimes it works, but usually people are smart enough to vary the number. 9 on this one 4 on that one.....
ReplyDeleteSO the real deal is the money YTB ers make on this--has nothing to do with a deal for the travelers.
And how do they sell it? Just refer them to the website.
AMAZING
EAB--you seem to give me more credit than I am due. I am glad you feel I am an "industry leader" but I am just a guy that can see through all the BS and is letting people know about it.
ReplyDeleteHonestly, YTB is NOT known to the masses like Travelocity or the others. Sure they may be known to your family and friends, but go on the street of your village (wait are you the....no, could it be....?) and ask someone if they know of YTB. The vast majority will say no.
So, ask a real player in the game (Travelocity, Orbitz, or a traditional agent) if they prefer to sell a reputable tour operator at 16% or an unknown at 25% when the reputable one offers so much more? Time and time again, I will take the reputable (USTOA, known carrier, known hotels, guaranteed events, more time, less money) one over the Shanghai Springs one. Sure 25% would be nice; but you know what....
If I send someone to China and the have a crappy time, I have $1000 to show for it. If I send someone wiht my reputable company and they have a good time, I have $640 to show for it. But I also have them coming back for more.
See, it is not about the transaction--it is about the relationship. SOmethign you YTBers will not ever get!
Now, go along EAB, your village called and said their idiot is missing--they want you back!
You mention relationships, John. One of YTBs big things is that they do "relationship marketing." Well, ask any traditional TA about relationship marketing. We do it all the time. We would rather have one client referral than 10 walk-ins. Why? Because we know that the referral is 10x more likely to book with us than Joe Blow walking in the door. How do you think many home-based agents get clients? Can't afford traditional advertising, it's all networking and referrals...
ReplyDeleteAFA Shanghai Spring. What you didn't mention was that the client that has a crappy time comes back and tells 10 friends they had a crappy time. And if something really crappy happens, you get sued. People sue over the most idiotic things - I can see someone claiming they weren't warned about the smog. Shanghai Spring is an unknown quantity in the US. No reputation or experience. As such, I'd be a fool for recommending them to a client and any client that would want me to book them I'd have sign their life away in waivers. I would not want to be responsible. I've never heard how much YTB has in E&O. I hope it's enough, just in case.
Naturally, John goes with the lowest nomber (7 day) rather than 11 day when comparing YTB to Globus.
ReplyDeleteAnd what kind of deal does Globus have for the Olympics, airfare, hotel and tours? Probably none!
Price it out in detail if you can. I'm quite sure it's going to come to a lot mor than what YTB is offering it for.
GLOBUS
Airfare:
Hotel:
Tour Wall:
Tour Summer Palace:
2 Olympic event tickets:
From what I see with Globus, it costs over $2k to stay in China for 9 days and this DOES NOT include airfare!!! That would be another $1500 or more!!!
* Price listed does not include airfare. From the Dates & Prices section of the vacation, you can get an air quote. (taken from Globus website)
Tours? Not included!
Olympic tickets? Not included!
I didn't even see an Olympic package on Globus! No even an 11 day vacation! If it's there John, cough up the URL!
I'd hate to burst your bubble on your wishful thought, but YTBers DON'T go to the Olympics for free.
Hey William, with YTB, our clients can have the best of both worlds! They can either book it online or have an RTA contact the vendor directly and do it over the phone... and pay NO AGENT FEES!
Either way, they are getting a great experiece... no matter what John says.
About the hotel guarantee...
Well, thee are many people going to China for the Olympics. The soner you book your trip, the most likely you will be able to stay inthe hotel you really want to stay in. Otherwise, it's whichever hotel has rooms left available. As travel agents, you should know this... and shouldn't have to try to put some crazy whacked out spin on it to deter those who don't know.
Well, now they know!
Also, from the start it stated that the client doesn't get admission to all the events unless they purchase more tickets. I don't know you spun that into believing otherwise.
As far as TBA tickets not being issued.. Well, we all know that TBA stands for "To Be Announced". that's like saying, "I have a ticket, to sell you, but I don't know what it's for yet." Nobody's going to buy it until it's announced what it's for. DUH!
olescorekeeper
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Proud--the village called again the idiot is still missing!
ReplyDeleteI said that I had an external source for the Tickets. So you needed to add them in. And the numbers I quoted did include airfare, event tickets and opening ceremonies. AIr was from LAX.
My point was that the 11 day Globus product was essentially the SAME price as the 5 day YTB product. YEs it is 5 days. Not 7 as you insisted before. And it offered a LOT more.
You yourself now say people will not buy ion a TBA--so why are all of your tickets (well a lot of them TBA)? Are you not selling any?
And yes the hotels are gonna be full, but a reputable operator will have blocked space at the hotels that is confirmed. So again ,you are wrong and are clueless as to how anything operates. Holding space is a no brainer here for this event. But it appears Shanghai either does not have it, or is holding some crappy hotels and going to explain that it is "similar"
Proud---did you look at any of the YTB packages? Can you show me which one was all inclusive? I missed that. Most breakfasts, a few lunches and dinners and a drive by of the Great Wall is NOT all inclusive and if you are marketing it as such, you and your "clients" are in for a RUDE awakening!
I love the testimonial page as well---all the directors and the Tomers!
Nice!
olescorekeeper
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Proud 1
You know---YTB sucks. I KNEW I should have grabbed screen shots. Now all of a sudden the link is down and inaccessible. No doubt they are changing the "packages sold" numbers and filling in the blanks and correcting the mistakes.
ReplyDeleteJust goes to show how unprofessional the whole outfit really is.
Can I send a bill to Illinois for consulting, because I certainly seem to be the one that is finding out all the lies that are perpetuated and passed along, the mistakes, and hell the training. If it were not for this blog, Proud STILL would not know the difference between "Sales" and "Commission"
Proud--consider that yoru JTA (John Training Advice) and send me a check for $150. Ooops sorry did not mean to take half of your travel commissions for the month away from you!
john said, "Now all of a sudden the link is down and inaccessible."
ReplyDeleteWorks for me...
http://ytb.spring-tour.com/ytb/TourList.aspx?CategoryID=20
Juhn, if you would go back to the village, then their idiot wouldn't be missing.
ReplyDeleteThe link works for me too.
John, again, where is the link to the globus site that states this trip?
First it was a 7 day trip to China... Now a 5 day??? John, get your facts straight! I go on my YTB site and see (2)9 day packages and an 11 day package which include airfare!
I go to Globus and at thwe bottom, it states that their packages DO NOT INCLUDE AIRFARE!!! It's right on the website! INDISPUTABLE!!!
So, a $2299.00 11 day package including air and tour to Beijing, Xi'an, Guilin, and Shanghai is not a better deal that something from Globus that would cost almost double??? If you say so.
Great News For YTB!
ReplyDeleteThanks to Doug for the following.
Monday, January 14, 2008
Birthday Bash Announcements
For those wondering what went on during the Birthday Bash here are some of the highlights.
Recruiting:
A) Not ONE Lime Green T-shirt was seen during the Birthday Bash with the quote "I got here for FREE as me how!"
B) To our knowledge, not one person was recruited to joining YTB during the entire sailing.
New products and Affiliations:
A) New 17 minute video on on-line fundraising-"Passport to Giving" for prospecting non-profits, will not change the price or destination but the way they book to raise funds for travel they are already doing.
B) "Two Fly Free" backed by Thomas Cook , the oldest and largest hotel and airline consolidator.
C) Hunting and Fishing.Biz is live. Trips and products with similar prices to Bass Pro Shop, and going from 8,000 to 30,000 products as we expand.
D) YTB cars expanding to local markets and will be offering any brand and at as reasonable prices as any where else you would buy.
E) RTA incentives; adding UPS over night mail at up to 50% savings.
F) Spring Tour International, the largest tour operator in China, is offering YTB exclusive tour packages to China, Europe, and Southeast Asia. Especially exciting are a series of tours to the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing which include hard to get Olympic event tickets. Packages offer a 25% commission.
International Expansion :
A) The Bahamas-Went live in the Bahamas on 1/11/2008 .
B) Bermuda-opening 2/8/2008 .
C) Canada-opening 2/8/2008 (Saturday 2/9/2008 2:00 til 4:00pm Vancouver, British Columbia, meeting at convention center.)
Saturday 2/16/2008 2:00 til 4:00 pm Toronto/Ontario (location TBA)
Travel and Marketing Updates :
A) New owner Stuart Johnson of Success Magazine will have a new format in 2008 will be the best in the industry on Network marketing, not just one company and we have structured an arrangement with the owner for a special edition 8 page story on YTB and an insertable disc on the company.
B) Founders tour for 2008 coming to all areas 26 stops already scheduled with Coach, look for e-mail to be sent today.
C) 2008 on the travel side goal is to be #1 with #1 Carnival. We have 40,000 active cruises booked, need 100,000 to be #1, everyone get in the game and book a group cruise. Goal is to sell 3000 Olympic packages to fulfill our responsibility to Spring Tour International. 2007 booked over 5 hundred million with goal to book over a billion 2008. (Which only 12 companies have done.)
D) Income Disclosure Statement for 2007 will be sent out attached to an e-mail today.
E) California requirements for credentials are standard for everyone.
Coming in 2008 - One presentation for everyone, CRTA training updated with streaming videos. Travel booking engine state of the art updating Communication updates to the field, more trained RTAs in travel than all other companies put together.
"If it ain't right don't do it and if it ain't true don't say it" ~ J. Lloyd "Coach" Tomer
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ReplyDeleteJohn 2
Proud 4
Link DOES NOT WORK.
ReplyDeleteDid a search using the word "Olympics" on the Globus site and got...
ReplyDelete"No results found. Modify the request and try again."
Kind of reminds me of JF's recent words, "Just goes to show how unprofessional the whole outfit really is." lol!
Lets see something here.....
ReplyDeleteLowest Priced YTB China "Olympic" Trip for 9 days....$4349.00 per person, without insurance.
Globus Vacations "Highlights of China", including intra-China air/taxes and insurance for 10 days....$2308 per person. Add in R/T air from LAX for $1034.00 per person for a total of $3342.00 per person. Includes tours to Great Wall, the TerraCotta Warriors, a Li River Cruise, and the Shanghai Museum. Other excursion addons available for a max cost of $26pp.
Now, I'm not the best at math, so I used my trusty calculator, and the Globus trip gives me one more day, at $1007 per person LESS than the YTB trip! I think I'll book with the known entity, Globus!
Oh, and I can take that $1007 and use it to buy event tickets to the Olympics for events that I would want to see, from a reputable source as well, like the USOC.
ReplyDeleteOne thing your not revealing to everyone is the the tour dates.
ReplyDeleteWhat are the dates so we can verify your package price.
Since Globus isn't offering anything during the month of August, I used 9/1. But even if you use their most expensive date for this trip, which is 5/5/08, the price still come out less than YTB's at a total (including the air) of $3762 per person.
ReplyDeleteAinsworth said...
ReplyDelete"Since Globus isn't offering anything during the month of August, I used 9/1."
That's not a fair analysis Ainsworth since the Olympics runs Aug. 8th through the 20th and Globus is out of business that month. That's more of an apples to oranges comparison.
So Proud and Earl...when are you heading over to China? How can you, the self proclaimed wonders of the world, miss this opportunity?
ReplyDeletePersonally. my clients and I are staying away from China during the Olympic. I did Sydney and Lake Placid and that's plenty thanks.
The SSS website does not fill me with trust that my money will be well spent.
Eddie said...
ReplyDelete"Personally. my clients and I are staying away from China during the Olympic."
Seriously Eddie, you say all your clients are staying away from the Olympics? What are they? Homeless? ;>)
John . . . You made me laugh on this one. I don't know if YTB's Spring Tour link was down, but it is up now. I know you are influential, but your YTB sucks rant and thinking that the site was down because of something that YOU "discovered"? I'm sure they know who you are, but please don't think that YTB Corporate beckons to your every call. You're passionate about your dislike of YTB and how we do things, but you're not controlling the daily pulse at YTB. And we're going to keeping moving forward - - thank you.
ReplyDeleteI WAS on the Coach's Cruise. I don't know if Proud was on the cruise because you had to qualify unless you were Level 2 Director or higher. I had two RTAs on my Team qualify with travel sales and two qualify with website sales. It was a great time and I spent time with some great people. Contrary to the doom and gloomers (see the "expert" YTBScam) thoughts about YTB, things are full speed ahead in 2008. We will have another record-setting year and recruit a lot more RTAs in the U.S.. . . and now in Canada, Bermuda and the Bahamas. 1 Billion in travel sales is the goal for 2008 and we will have a good shot at making it.
I told you fools that the event tickets were NOT included in the Globus Package and that they had to be purchased separately. I have a source for the event tickets and if I include two events, and opening ceremonies, for an 11 day tour with Globus on August 6th departure from LAX on their Classic China tour, it is equivalent to the YTB price yet with so much more to offer the client.
ReplyDeleteProud. If you could ask someone to get the link live again, I will be happy to point out that it is a 7 night 5 day trip.
Day 1 Depart LAX
Night 1 en route
Day 2 Arrive China
Night 2 China
DaY 3 Sightseeing
Night3 in China
Day 4 Sightseeing and olympic event
Night 4 China
Day 5 Free and Olympic event
Night 5 China
Day 6 Depart
If I recall, so it is unwise to allude that there are 7 days in China.
ibtravel said, "I know you are influential, but your YTB sucks rant and thinking that the site was down because of something that YOU "discovered"? I'm sure they know who you are, but please don't think that YTB Corporate beckons to your every call."
ReplyDeleteJF fully knows that YTB has been able to read his mind 24/7 and that's why they took the site down momentarily.
JF, I highly recomended you get the help you need here...
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
I never claimed to be a "expert". Once again your patehtic attempts at lies just proves the point. I can't count the amount of times you have been caught lying so far. Everytime you bring something up, its either misinformation or just completely WRONG.
ReplyDeleteFull speed ahead?!? Yeah full steam ahead on a 1.05 stock!!!
With such GREAT news out of YTB, you'd think they could at least go up a penny. It's pretty sad when the stock goes up that represents almost 1% percent of your total "stock".
Wonder what happened to the heavy trading of the last few days of last week? This week back to crap trading. Heavy trading in YTB equals 100k of stocks traded, which is a joke.
Anyone trying to get rich off this stock, might as well just give their money away.
I hope you go to China and get lost. Then again I doubt you will even take this "trip of a lifetime". Maybe you and EAB can share a few seats, well EAB needs a few alone for himself.
If the nephew is a reflection of the aunt, it is now understood as to why ones positive attitude and likeability factor is so very important for success in the network referral industry.
ReplyDeleteYTBScam . . . The price of the YTB stock is the furthest thing from my mind. I'm spending my time growing my Team and selling travel. Both are increasing and I'll leave the stock worries to you and someone else.
ReplyDeleteYou must have a very unhappy life to spend so much of your time complaining about YTB. We are here and plan to be in the future. Complain all you want, you better get used to it because, contrary to your doom and gloom, we will continue to build our Teams and they will happily pay their $49.95 each month. Just like the CPA firm that just bought a website from us. They looked at the value of YTB and happily spent $499.90 to get started. No koolaid involved . . . actually did the signup over a Diet Coke.
ibtravel said, "You must have a very unhappy life to spend so much of your time complaining about YTB."
ReplyDeletescorekeeper said.....
I would say anyone who gets up in the morning and lives and breaths YTB all day long, as an adversary, probably has a very unhappy life.
On the contrary, anyone who does the same thing and works their YTB business seriously, most likely leads the happiest of lives.
I can't understand how it is the YTB foes rent so much free space in their minds to YTB all day long (such as JF). Maybe they ought to send Coach a bill, you know, with all their concerns and suggestions about how to improve the company. Seems they should get something for their efforts! At least a Bithday Bash "Wish You Were Here" card. What a terribly sad way to exsist from day to day.
What is funny is that TTAs have for the longest time been masters of the multi-task. Working with clients, on hold with vendors, waiting for confirmations and so forth. Over the years, we learned how to work smarter.
ReplyDeleteSo, honestly, this blog take so little time--sure took me an hour to set it up, but as for commenting and posting....if I spend a half hour a day I would be surprised.
Fortunately for me, there is always a TON of information out there to blog about. It seems each time one of the YTB loudmouths opens their mouths, it is something stoopit! So with them, it is an endless source of material and amusement.
And on the off days, you can always count on YTB corporate to come up with something worthwhile.
So, perhaps if you learned a little more about working smarter, you might realize that a lot can be done in a little time!
So posting a 10-20 second comment is spending our day on here? Figures that comes out of another loudmouth YTBer.
ReplyDeleteIt's more like....
ReplyDeleteWorking with clients, YTB, on hold with vendors, YTB waiting for confirmations, YTB and so forth.
..if I spend a half hour a day I would be surprised.
I would be surprised also, since one can find your comments against YTB all over the place. And, you do a heck of a lot of research about YTB. I can't even keep up with all the news about YTB.
...one more thing JF. When you get your AFDB, get an extra one for ytbscam!
ReplyDeleteLOL - ole johnny resorting to calling people - "idiots" and "fools" - too funny . . .
ReplyDeleteYTB travel agents are out classing ole johnny and the gang on the forum with their exclusive Olympic deals.
Ole johnny just can't stand being wrong - thus the name calling.
Keep it up MLM'ers - you are exposing his weakness.
Tom
YTB opening new worldwide markets...
ReplyDeleteBahamas
Bermuda
Canada
Man - looks like 2008 might be a BILLION + in travel sales. Maybe even TWO BILLION $$$$$$ . . .
Exclusive Olympic deals as well.
Soon YTB will be in Europe and Asia - then what ? ? ? ? Could YTB be the first TRILLION $$$$$$ travel sales company ?????
This group amazes me with their strength and persistence even in the face of modest challenges from minor travel associations and vendors . . .
Simply Amazing . . .
Tom
Trip for 9 days....$4349.00 per person, without insurance.
ReplyDeleteGlobus Vacations "Highlights of China", including intra-China air/taxes and insurance for 10 days....$2308 per person. Add in R/T air from LAX for $1034.00 per person for a total of $3342.00 per person. Includes tours to Great Wall, the TerraCotta Warriors, a Li River Cruise, and the Shanghai Museum. Other excursion addons available for a max cost of $26pp.
Now, I'm not the best at math, so I used my trusty calculator, and the Globus trip gives me one more day, at $1007 per person LESS than the YTB trip! I think I'll book with the known entity, Globus!
Hey ainsworth... unlike Global, The shanghai INCLUDES airfare... and an OLYMPIC PACKAGE!!!
Also, looking at the Olympic packages right now, I see nothing less than 7 days here. NO 5 DAYS as you say there are.
The 11 day packages are the best value for the dollar, because they are only $600 more than the 7 day! Normally, $600 would only get you a night and a half at a Raddison Hayatt or Hilton. Here, you're getting 4 extra days in China!
Wow 4 extra days in the "slum" hotel of choice!!!! I doubt you will be staying in a Hayatt or a Hilton. Who in their right mind would book a trip without knowing what kind of hotel your staying in? Thats nuts...nuts=YTB!
ReplyDeleteProud--don't to my clients, I don't count the days traveling. You are counting the day of departure (eveing flight) as one day, and the day of return (morning flight) as one day. There is a questionable day as well--the day you arrive in China after the trans-pac. Kinda a wasted day with jetlag.
ReplyDeleteAinsworth did include the air---see that part where he says air an additional....
Reading is FUNdamental
Hey scam, if you went to a YTB website, you would be able to see what kind of hotel you'd be staying at. anyway, the hayatt and hilton were just an example.
ReplyDeleteBTW... aren't you late for work at Wal-Mart? There sure are a lot of carts out there in the parking lot.
John, I see that ainsworth included air,but you didn't.
Still, there's NO OLYMPIC PACKAGE with GLOBUS... because they are not doing business during the Olympics!
Maybe Globus has been handed a few Olympic packages, but instead of selling them to clients, the TA's are going to close the doors and go to the Olympics themselves. I'd be asking Golbus why they are so willing to lose such vital sales opportunities during the Olympics since you are such huge fans of them.
I guess that wondering why YTB has Olympic packages is more important than trying to figure out why you don't.
And now for the "stuck-up" comment of the week...
ReplyDelete"What is funny is that TTAs have for the longest time been masters of the multi-task. Working with clients, on hold with vendors, waiting for confirmations and so forth. Over the years, we learned how to work smarter."
As if to say that nobody else in the world knows how to multi-task... LOL!!!
"Honestly, YTB is NOT known to the masses like Travelocity or the others. Sure they may be known to your family and friends, but go on the street of your village (wait are you the....no, could it be....?) and ask someone if they know of YTB. The vast majority will say no."
because the other websites advertize on tv, radio, papers, billboards, etc. people don't know Travelocity, Orbitz, Expedia. they just know of them.
YTB uses word of mouth advertizing, so if someone doesn't know YTB today, they may know them tomorrow.
"See, it is not about the transaction--it is about the relationship. SOmethign you YTBers will not ever get!"
Really? John, I've got my loyal clients and to your surprise... they are not all family and friends. They are people who liked the way I helped them book their trips and came back for more. they also asked me for some business cards so hey can recommend me to their friends. don't sit there in your little office and tell me that YTB knows absolutely nothing about relationships with clients.
"Fortunately for me, there is always a TON of information out there to blog about. It seems each time one of the YTB loudmouths opens their mouths, it is something stoopit! So with them, it is an endless source of material and amusement."
Likewise John! You never cease to amuse me with all your misinformation and one-sidedness.
"Lindauer says..."
Wow! here's a guy who has a personal vendetta against YTB, so everything he says MUST be true to John!
"Who in their right mind would book a trip without knowing what kind of hotel your staying in? Thats nuts...nuts=YTB!"
ReplyDeleteYou really are as ignorant as you sound. Ever hear of Priceline?
Like I said in an earlier post about the "scum of the earth"
that you didn't respond to, just plain rude!
Pricelilne does not do hotels in China
ReplyDeleteJust book through Proud...I'm sure you will love your stay at Slum Hotel China!!!
ReplyDeleteJohn,
ReplyDeleteObviously I know more than the pearbrain there. These people will make up whatever story they can, and they believe it...thats funny.
Its like the three stooges but multiply it by about 40k, oh waits, its 30k, oh wait its 50k, oh wait...you know what I mean.
I'm very suprised that YTB is using the China Resources hotel in Beijing considering that it only has 2.5 stars on Trip Advisor, which is their Bible when it comes to hotel reviews.
ReplyDeleteLIAR LIAR! Coach told them it was a 5 star all inclusive hotel!
ReplyDeleteCoach says it is a Five Star all-inclusive and they serve rat and cat meat at the buffet.
ReplyDeleteWell, for those that have been to China before, dog and cat is served all over the place. Food is bizarre!
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of dogs, this blog sure is out of control!
ReplyDelete