The training will be completely online and hence no opportunity to ask any questions or interact with the people doing the trainign. The exam is self monitored and you can take it as many times as you like to pass it. Yesterday they offered the training live in several cities prior to it going solely online and following are my notes from the 4 hour session:
- An overview of the new "titles". An "Affiliate" is what is now known as an RTA. These people will refer to their sites and all transactions will be handled online. They will not be permitted to work with clients or vendors. They will earn 60% of the commissions received by YTB. The new version of the RTA will be allowed to book groups and contact vendors directly. They will become RTAs upon completion of the First Class Training and exam. They will earn 70% of the commissions received by YTB. Down the road, a future exam will be created allowing the RTAs to drop the "R" and call themselves "Travel Agents".
- An overview of a revamped RTA website. The new "technology" will allow RTAS to place their actual contact number on the website. A cost for this new site was not mentioned, however I suspect it will be an additional monthly cost for an "enhanced" site similar to the Rep site.
- The First Class Training will be taken online, and there is no time limit for completion nor is there any monitoring of the exam.
- The "training", while better, was certainly very light and offers no immediate benefit to the consumer. A YTB director narrates the video sessions and introduces a very few select vendors who overview the product they sell. CLIA's Terry Dale presented a recorded overview of CLIA.
- E&O was glanced over and it was briefly mentioned that the YTB policy only covers transactions booked by clients online. So, if any RTA books direct, they are NOT covered. This was a minor point and not emplasized at all.
- Marc Mancini had a recorded session explaining how geography training was important. It was recommended that RTAs view the classes in YTB's e-Campus for more detailed travel training. It is important to note that Marc did not present ANY geography training or travel traingin in this recording for First Class Training.
- A brief overview of select vendors was presented. These were not the earlier vendor presentations but essentially a listing of the vendors that work with and "understand" the YTB business model.
- Group travel was covered for a long time. They did not go over the nuts and bolts, but emphasized the ability to earn greater profits from group bookings and highlighted some of the difference between individual and group bookings. They told everyone where to find the forms in the Back Office. If YTB is going to focus on groups as they have in the past, I think this is a huge lapse in judgement and in depth group travel training needs to be covered. Look at what happens when a RTTA tries to book groups--Baltimore....Houston....Nashville!
- Recruiting was covered, but it was certainly not the focus as it had been in past classes.
- They encouraged people to attend the Funshine Events and the CLIA 360.
- They encouraged RTAs to take advantage of FAMS and ship inspections.
- YTB indicated that they would arrange private YTB only ship inspections.
Notably absent from this training was:
- Any mention of how to run a business including liability insurance, local and state licensing, etc.
- Client problem resolution
- Industry jargon and lexicon
- Geography (as stated above)
- In depth liability discussion
- Responsibilities of the RTA to clients and vendors and YTB
- Accounting methods
- SOT issues and requirements
There is no supervision and there was no mention of being able to rely on YTB (other than the recoreded videos) for any help. With a legitimate host, when an agent has a problem, he can speak with the host and their staff , other members of the host, or look to the other many resources that are available to legitimate travel professionals and not YTB. Networking among RTAs is ineffective--you cannot expect a kindergarten class to solve a calculus problem. Contacting YTB headquarters is also ineffective as their management has no background in travel and very few (if any at this point) of their call center people have any background. Without a means of support, the consumers are on their own.
But hey, again, it is a reactive measure based on an Attorney General's lawsuit and a few class action lawsuits. It took the non-travel executives and Board 7 plus years to decide that training on "travel" might be an appropriate thing for a "travel" company. For me it seems a day late and a dime short!
It also should be noted that the "Award Winning" Candi May or Bob The Travel Guy were not featured in any of the training. "Dr. Seligman" was also not featured!
This is nothing more than a lame attempt to get out of trouble with the AG and "legitimize" the company. It takes a whole lot more than a 4 hour video to become a travel agent. And the fact that there is no geography training is a big red flag.
ReplyDeleteProbably the most disturbing thing for me was how they are seemingly looking to make money by converting nor Affiliates to RTAs and glancing over the need for E&O insurance.
ReplyDeleteIt is too bad that most suppliers remain silent on this issue because I would love to know their feelings---are they excited about the possibility of receiving all these phone calls from 100,000 people who watched a 4 hour video? I am sure that NCL will be pleased because Ann Sedgwick was the one presenting on behalf of CCL and there was nary a mention of NCL--other than they were a supplier.
CYA that's it.
ReplyDeleteI don't understand how CLIA can terminate Joystar and do nothing about YTB.
CLIA is earning a LOT more money from YTB and with their new standards they stand to earn a lot more.
ReplyDeleteBut the issue with JS was that they lost thier SOT in several states. CLIA requires that the agency be "legal" in the states where it does business and YTB currently does have the SOT licenses as required.
Now if the courts find them to be a pyramid/endless chain, it is likely that the CA SOT license will be revoked (it is run by the AG office as well I believe) and then CLIA will have to step to the plate.
I agree that this is a small step in the right direction -- of course making the training only accessible online will keep out those nasty outsider lookie-loos, so it'll be impossible to see if the travel training is really all that, or if it's a lame shell with weak content (and still focusing too much on recruitment).
ReplyDeleteAlso, how does the new commission split affect how REPs are paid? There's only so much of the travel pie that can be doled out. If an additional 10% is going to the RTAs, where is it coming from?
The Reps that are not RTAs lost that override. Coach said it was a "legal issue". Translated it means that they got caught and are hoping that the AG will back off.
ReplyDeleteBut it also is a opportunity to encourage those people to buy the sites at $449 to regain it at 70%.
It's always about moving cash from one wallet to another.
Notice the lack of YTB response here today?
Sorry John about not responding to you quicker. Forgot that you deserved one.
ReplyDeleteWell, is it really any surprise that John cannot be satisfied? Anyone that follows this blogs knows that it is highly unlikely that John and the posse will ever be. And YTB will continue to move on.
But here is a WHOLE list of stuff that John was wrong about:
• The online First Class training DID NOT talk about the difference in the titles. Perhaps it was at the live training but not the online class.
• The online training DID NOT talk about the new enhanced features of the site to come and there is NO price increase for it. That was only assumed by John and John’s assumptions are often wrong too. (Remember the millions YTB was supposed to have lost in the second quarter?)
• John talked about the online class not having the ability to ask questions nor was there any oversight. John, have you seen the iteneraries for just about EVERY college I the U.S. lately? Practically every one of them have online classes now. It’s just the way things are done now.
• E&O insurance WAS emphasized. It is also continually emphasized on the weekly travel training calls.
• Marc Mancini, known as one of the top travel educators in the country, IS the one designing the E-Campus trainings for YTB. Again online, but again, the way education is being done now. Marc and Kim both EMPHASIZED that these trainings, including First Class, were just the beginning. They very much encouraged specializing and learning more.
• John brought out examples of when RTA book groups. Look at what happens when TTA’s do it. http://www.kmov.com/news/asseenonnews4/stories/kmov_localnews_080922_zoo.a0a7bf70.html , http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20080923_Travel_agent_charged_in_safari_scam.html . It is no more fair to bring up the RTA’s than it is to bring up the TTA’s. It happens in all industries. You will always have a few that can make the whole look bad.
• RECRUITING WAS NOT COVERED ON THE FIRST CLASS TRAINING!!!
• They did encourage travel trade shows and did encourage more education.
• The First Class training DID NOT encourage the FAM trips.
Now, with that said I do agree that client problem resolution was not covered and perhaps needs to be.
John talks about the “disservice to the vendors”. Our vendors don’t seem to have a problem. Sounds like it’s John’s problem. It’s up to our vendors to decide that.
Being a “day late and dime short”. Imagine that! I refer you back to the opening remarks.
“It also should be noted that the "Award Winning" Candi May or Bob The Travel Guy were not featured in any of the training. "Dr. Seligman" was also not featured!”
Bet if they had known you were coming just to see them they would have shown up just for you John.
Everyone knows that John was there to look for the bad and not the good. John, Mentioning that YTB took a “small step” in the right direction does not make you look “fair and balanced” at all. Stated again, you will never be satisfied with YTB. And I can just about guarantee YTB’s stance on your opinion will be, keep building it bigger!
Well Firemedic---it seems to me that if you were not in attendance at the event I was you have no place to comment on it now do you?
ReplyDeleteQuestion -- Are the existing RTA's grandfathered in if they took the original training or must they take the new training to be RTA's instead of an affiliate?
ReplyDeleteJohn, even though you attended an event IN PERSON and are reporting on what you witnessed, there will always be someone who wasn't there that has to pick apart what you saw, even though they have no clue what the hell they're talking about. It was obvious by what you wrote that you attended one of the sessions on Saturday, but you have to remember, with these ytb people, you have to plainly state that you were there. Even if they read what you write, they don't understand being subtle.
ReplyDeleteI know this is off topic, but Traveling Mom is at it again, posting misinformation about taxes again on her blog. This woman must stop with all the incorrect information she is disseminating. Obviously, ytb doesn't care.
YTB had better put a class in on international documentation and have Traveling Mom take it. I would hate to be a corporate client relying on this advice:
ReplyDelete"Do you realize most people from the U.S. can't go to Mexico and do work because you need a green card? But if you're a business owner, well, I can go to Mexico or China or wherever I want and do business. That's freedom! But if you're an employee you need a green card, that's not freedom."
I'd like to see her show up in China with just her YTB biz card and see how well that goes over.
John, I took the online training. It's the same videos as you saw so they were no different. If the facilitators at the live event you attended took the time to talk about some other things then I cannot comment on that. What I am commenting on here is what is on the online First Class training that I have access to over and over. The only reason you saw it at a live event was because it was originally scheduled as a CRTA. They won't be doing it that way anymore so whatever extra that was talked about won't be the consistent thing. The training and presentations now will be very consistent.
ReplyDeleteOh, and I did not realize I needed to be at the same event you went to in order for me to comment on it. My bad.
Bobbyeh--existing RTAs will be required to take the class unless they are content with being Affiliates. If they have taken a CRTA class before and paid the full $149 they can take the FTC class and pay $39.
ReplyDeleteFiremedic, since you're not really a travel agent, it is probably difficult for you to understand how much crucial information is missing from this class, and what it really takes to be a travel agent. This training class is nothing more than something they created to try to pull their ass out of the frying pan with the AG. Too little,too late.
ReplyDeletefiremedic said... Oh, and I did not realize I needed to be at the same event you went to in order for me to comment on it. My bad.
ReplyDeleteWhat a joke. Wait, I wasn't backstage at SNL this past weekend, but I know EXACTLY what went on.....everything that happened, everything that was said, what everyone did, etc.
I think this statement shows how much common sense the poster actually has, not realizing that to realisticly comment on something that happened you have to be there to see it, and then when called out on it, his only comment is "my bad". "My bad", indeed.
John, did they go over all the tax benefits you get by being in ytb? If they didn't, maybe Traveling Mom can record a lesson on that for them, since she seems to know everything about it!
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of Traveling Mom.... her blog says you (we) don't know what she does for a living...and here I thought she was a full time RTA/REP bringing in the big bucks and taking big deductions and advising people on how to be broke. It seems she has a JOB working fo da MAN afer all.
ReplyDeleteAinsworth - "I think this statement shows how much common sense the poster actually has, not realizing that to realisticly comment on something that happened you have to be there to see it, and then when called out on it, his only comment is "my bad". "My bad", indeed"
ReplyDelete"My Bad", Ainsworth, was a bit of sarcasm. It was meant to mean that John was commenting on how no one from YTB was commenting yet when someone does it didn't count since they weren't at the same exact event.
Your comment "I think this statement shows how much common sense the poster actually has, not realizing that to realisticly comment on something that happened you have to be there to see it" is a bit hypocritical isn't it? You made the comment the other day "I have already done my research, and know all there is to know," yet you haven't been anywhere near YTB. All you "know" is what you read. Amazing.
Well according to Mom's new tangent, John and Ains will be going to prison..lmao. This lady is a few fries short of a happy meal for real. She posts so much mis-information on her site, yet YTB STILL HASNT SHUT HER DOWN. That should tell you something.
ReplyDeleteFire...you don't have a clue as to what my involvement may have been with ytb at any point in time. You are assuming that I have never been "behind" the scenes. And even if I haven't, I have done my research and know all there is to know, the same amount of information that a noob would have when entering the company, plus a whole lot more.
ReplyDeleteLisa, I saw her latest entry. I don't know why she is saying I am stalking her. The last e-mail intercourse I had with her was on 10/14, and that was an e-mail that she sent to me! Yes, I read her blog, but if she considers that stalking, I would suggest that she look up the definition of the word, and then explain to us all how someone reading her blog is "stalking" her. If she doesn't want people reading and discussing it, then she needs to either take it offline, or make it private!
"Fire...you don't have a clue as to what my involvement may have been with ytb at any point in time. You are assuming that I have never been "behind" the scenes. And even if I haven't, I have done my research and know all there is to know, the same amount of information that a noob would have when entering the company, plus a whole lot more."
ReplyDeleteOkay Ainsworth, have you? Have you been "behind the scenes"? And if so, when and where?
Fire, I'm going to take a lesson from you........you don't deserve an answer or any proof of anything. You are never forthcoming with anything, why should I give you anything. All you need to know is that I am more intune with what is going on than you want me to be.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, do you have the particulars on that meeting you're setting up yet? The 27th is only a week from today!
Let me get this straight - they are charging how much for an "online" class?
ReplyDeleteDoesn't anyone in YTB get sick of the guys at the top dipping into your pocket every time you turn around?
Ainsworth, you are so predictable! I am never forthcoming? Did I not answer the question the other day about what I would do if YTB failed? Now, here's your chance to "put up or shut up". Answer the question or take another chicken exit. Which will it be? My guess, you have never been "behind the scenes" and you will come back with some sort of deflection like "By the way, do you have the particulars on that meeting you're setting up yet? The 27th is only a week from today!"
ReplyDeleteOh, my, fire.....after how long on this blog you answer 1 question, and automatically feel you deserve an answer to any and all questions you may pose? Wow, full of yourself, aren't you? Plenty of inquiries have been put to you that you have refused to respond to, falling back on the tired old "you don't deserve an answer". You can question me all you want, but "you don't deserve an answer". I will state again, I am more intune with what is going on than you want me to be.
ReplyDeleteThe question to you about the meeting on the 27th of this month was no deflection. It was a seperate inquiry (I forgot to tell you that I was changing subjects. I know you have trouble keeping up with that sort of thing), yet another one that you refuse to answer. I take it by your non answer that you have not been successful in setting up the meeting, so in essence, YOUR deflection is nothing more than a chicken exit.
Bahahahahaha, now TM is saying that if there are any typo's on her blog, it "must be the martini's"!
ReplyDelete"Ainsworth, you are so predictable! I am never forthcoming? Did I not answer the question the other day about what I would do if YTB failed? Now, here's your chance to "put up or shut up". Answer the question or take another chicken exit. Which will it be? My guess, you have never been "behind the scenes" and you will come back with some sort of deflection like "By the way, do you have the particulars on that meeting you're setting up yet? The 27th is only a week from today!"
ReplyDeleteAnd if you read his follow-up answer....case in point. lol! So predictable.
Fire.....you still haven't answered the question regarding the meeting on the 27th. Once again, you have danced around it. All this dancing leads one to believe that you have been less than successful in setting anything up. Shame that you are so far below the old man's radar that you can't even set up a simple meeting.
ReplyDeleteOh, and tell me again why I should answer your above inquiry, when you so obviously don't deserve a response.
Ainsworth, I can't believe you still think you are somehow one-up on this argument of meeting Coach. You said "set it up". It was set up for you (for multiple available dates) so that you could get it off your chest. Because you did not actually expect anyone to "put up or shut up", when it was set-up, you chickened out, added in some conditions (like pay your way, yeah right), and then used a chicken exit (made a video). Oh, but somehow you thought that YOU now get to set it for Coach to COME TO YOU! Yeah right. Once again, this meeting was for you. No, Coach will not be flying to New Orleans for you. The original is still open anytime there sport!
ReplyDelete"Oh, and tell me again why I should answer your above inquiry, when you so obviously don't deserve a response."
You are right, I don't deserve an answer. Even though you were the one that suggested you had been "behind the scenes". LOL! Right.
No, fire, you set nothing up. All you did was give me a list of dates that you knew that the old man was going to be in Wood River. That is not setting up a meeting. Setting up a meeting is having 2 or more people set aside a specific block of time on a given date that is mutually agreeable to all. How was any of this for me? All I ever said was that I was not afraid to tell the man to his face what I thought of him. I then challenged MIX to set up a meeting, not you. You seized upon something that wasn't even directed at you, and tried to make something of it. You seem to be the one who is obsessed. Trying to indulge your OCD, I gave you a time, date, and place that I will be and specifically asked you to set up a meeting, so that you will be satisfied. Obviously, this is a task that is too much for you, as you have as yet been able to accomplish it. As stated at the time, and multiple times since, I really don't care if I ever set my eyes on the old fart, but if I happen to run across him somewhere, sometime, I am not afraid to tell him that he is a scam artist, scum, a crook, and a waste of skin.
ReplyDeleteNow, that being said....if you can't set up the meeting, why don't you just go ahead and admit it. No one will think any less of you. No one thinks much of you around here, anyway, so there is no way that anyone could think less of you. It will, however, be good for your psyche to go ahead and admit that you aren't even on the old man's radar. It's time to admit to yourself that aside from us, your ytb friends don't think you count for much either!
OMG, This Traveling Mom lady is something else. She says one thing on her blog, and then something else. She post things, then takes them down. Look at some of the responses she gave to comments on her site, comments in ( ) are mine:
ReplyDeleteTraveling Mom said...
Yes working from home is great I have another work at home job to answering customer service calls for toysrus and babiesrus and I also do Virgin Mobile Activations. (Didn’t she say once that she worked for the Government?) And it is nice just going in my office and sitting down no driving. Once I got the bug I wanted to find other work at home jobs and when I found YTB I said that is for me. There is nothing like working at home.
October 8, 2008 1:49 PM
traveling moms said...
Don't assume I won't post you question as you see my blog holds back no facts about the business I am up front about it. The only reason the post is locked so I won't get a whole bunch of negative comments on my blog this is for people who are looking for something that lost their jobs that need health insurance this is not for complainers. Sure I will answer your question because I can there is nothing to hide with this business. Don't assume this business in not for you because of all the negative things you read or heard.
If you seriously looked at it once there most be something that attracted you to us. Like every big company you have the complainers you probably have them at your office and you know who they are lol.
I really don't have to disclose the lawsuit because it is all over the internet anyway most people research a company before joining I would and I did. (OMG, she admits that when recruiting, she doesn’t say anything about the suits!)
Let's talk about the lawsuits did you know every big company has some kind of lawsuit Microsoft (I love how they always bring up Microsoft. Yeah, MS got sued, and look how much money they had to pay out!) remember that people still work there people still got rich there the company did not go anywhere.
There was a class action lawsuit against credit card companies because they won't send paper statements. (??????????)
October 1, 2008 2:53 PM
"You seem to be the one who is obsessed. "
ReplyDeleteI'm obsessed yet you are the one that keeps bringing it up? LOL!
"Obviously, this is a task that is too much for you, as you have as yet been able to accomplish it."
Too much of a task for me yet you are unable to make it to the multiple dates for you?
"It will, however, be good for your psyche to go ahead and admit that you aren't even on the old man's radar."
Well if I'm not on the radar you definitely should be since you know everything there is to know and have been "behind the scenes".
Geez Ainsworth. Why do I always feel bad after debating you? I feel like a highschooler that keeps on picking on a fourth grader. (Sigh)
Okay Ainsworth, I will give you the last word on this so you can sleep tonight.
"I feel like a highschooler that keeps on picking on a fourth grader. (Sigh: Probably because you act like one. BTW, I KNOW you are not a firefighter.
ReplyDeleteYeah, unfortunately fireman was let go because he tried to recruit for YTB on company time. He now blogs for a living.
ReplyDeleteAT - You "KNOW"? Prove it! Time to Ainsworth-up and either "put up or shut up"!
ReplyDelete