Monday, February 25, 2008

More BS From Bob Seligman (no PhD)


I re-listened to the audio file and took a few more notes, and (surprise) discovered a few more discrepancies. I am sure if you listen to the 45 minutes you can find even more.

  • Seligman claims he is a guest lecturer at Harvard, Wharton, and Stanford. My Harvard source is unable to locate the name anywhere associated with Harvard. A search of Wharton's site turned up nothing as did Stanford. Hmmm.
  • Seligman said that he was knowledgeable of business practices because he is "a financial columnist" and "a published author". Well, guess what? Not much is coming up on that front either.
  • Seligman also referenced General Electric and "his friend" "Jack Walsh". Well if he is referring to the former CEO of GE, it is Jack Welch. Now maybe his friend "Jack Walsh" is the guy that sweeps the floors in Fairfield.
  • Seligman stated that Harvard Business School said YTB was "the business opportunity of a lifetime." Again, no real substantiation there. Looking at their website, there are few references to "MLM" or "Network Marketing" and certainly none to YTB. I have also been told (unsubstantiated) that Harvard Business School has derided MLM as an invalid business practice.
  • Seligman says that he suspects that Coach, Scott and Kim are "smarter" than Barry Diller and have "outsmarted" him in travel because Barry Diller spent $5B for Expedia, but YTB offers the "same thing" for $500. He claims that YTB is "better" and "provably better" than Expedia. Uhm, OK. As my daughter might say, "whatever."
  • Seligman claims that the average adult in the US spends an average of 6.5 hours watching television and 2 hours a day on the computer outside of work. His pitch was to cut an hour off of the television and concentrate on YTB and you can make 100X your investment. That "statistic" although he says is provable, this seems very excessive to me.
  • Seligman, in his closing statement, said that Bill Gates is worth $50 Billion dollars and explains that it is "9 zeros folks". Uhm, maybe it was just a mispeak, but it is 10 zeros. One would think that the closing point in a presentation by a financial guru would not make that error!
A lot of people will say so what? Well, I think this is an issue. Regardless of who originated the Doctor, his credentials cannot be substantiated at all. These same credentials are being used by numerous Reps as they try to recruit people into the YTB program. Without knowing that the credentials are bogus, people will take him at face value. Anyone who may make a decision to join YTB based on this is being duped into the program. I am not sure, but if an RTA wanted to press the issue, I would bet some Rep might be on the look for this. What is more reprehensible is that YTB, by their silence, is endorsing this type of "marketing". GO ahead and tell them anything you like as long as you sign them up.

Just an interesting aside, I have said that I believe that Seligman is really a fabrication by a few Directors of YTB to enhance the recruiting efforts. After all, one would think a "published author" and "financial columnist" would have some information publicly available. The audio file is hosted at a domain called seligmanaudio.com. According to WHOIS, the owner is a company called Domains By Proxy which is a company that hides the identity of the true owner of a domain. Without a subpoena or a formal investigation, the actual owner remains unknown. Odd? Perhaps. The domain was just registered a few days ago.

62 comments:

  1. I'm sure we will hear nothing about Mr. Bob. I have asked this question a hundred times and still no answer from the YTBers. Same goes for Mr. Phil. It's become laughable. The amount of misinformation by those in YTB. They don't know if they are coming or going.

    On one hand you have Proud, who can't tell heads from tails. You have Doug, who can't read numbers. You have CM who is moving on to the next MLM insurance scam, all with inside information, that is never correct.

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  2. Keep digging johnny - you may be on to something.

    But - it takes proof . . .

    If he is being touted as all you say he is AND people believe it without getting sound documentation - that's their own stupidity.

    However - for you to call him a liar without first having proof - well, johnny that is plain wrong.

    Prove it then say it I say . . .

    We'll see . . .

    Tom

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  3. You would think someone with the inside sources you have CM, that you could dispute this. The fact is the guy has no information available anywhere. Anyone that touts about how important he is such as Bob, would have that information available. Unfortunately he is another person with a invisible cloak with no credentials. Hard to prove something where there is nothing to be proved in the first place. Just another Scam to get the YTB people to bite. They will believe anything.

    Bob, Phil, who cares.

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  4. I have always been taught that if you want the facts, go directly to the source. Here John is relying on the words of people who joined YTB, and outside sources. just like the outside sources, John is outside looking in. Go to the source John. I have noticed that you have been told about the headquarters, and how you can go there and talk to people. I plan on going myself, as I have become quite interested in YTB, and want to find out more.

    Just an interested party.

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  5. "Go to the source John."

    I'm sure John would love to talk to "Dr" Seligman, if he could find him. Perhaps someone from YTB would like to provide contact info, since none of us on the outside have been able to find him? What's the name of one of his books? We'll contact the publisher. We've tried contacting his alma maters... None of them want to claim him. Perhaps Seligman is a pseudonym?

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  6. Please read the back posts on the blog. No, I have not gone to YTB headquarters, but I have gone to a recruitment meeting and a Founder's Tour presentation.

    When I present what I find, I am told by someone that claims to be a director that "that is not how he does it". Well, others have gone to presentations and the same response. When asked when his presentation is being held, he all of a sudden becomes deaf and mute.

    As to traveling to Wood River, there is plenty of information and misinformation out there that I do not need to go there.

    Ann CTC is right, I will gladly talk to Seligman. When I found the source of the original recording, I asked the Rep for a contact and was told to go fuck myself because he is as real as the day is long.

    I have been in touch (not lately) with Ted Lindauer, YTB's former attorney. That seems like going to the source as well.

    I have looked at their press releases and the information they put out and disputed inaccuracies.

    What more am I going to learn in Wood River?

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  7. Wait a second wait a second...

    So I call a YTB agent who does business with me and get her voicemail saying "travel for free - ask me how blah blah blutty blah blah" and I am a liar?

    This Seligman guy spouts off all kinds of fishy, fake-sounding qualifications and we have to prove that he is wrong in order to claim that his claims sound off the wall?

    You YTB people are warped.

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  8. Like I said on another thread...I can't think of even ONE THING about YTB that was negative that any YTBer thought could possibly be true. Not one?! THIS is the PERFECT company?

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  9. Well of course it was a lie when someone called YTB and was told that Lindauer did not work there.....

    That is rule #4 of defending YTB...when there is no defense, call them a liar.

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  10. Here's what the real Dr. Seligman says about the research he did before he made a major commitment to his YTB business...

    "All three of the critical criteria for business success have never existed in one place before YTB.... An opportunity of this magnitude has NEVER existed before. The greatest danger than I see is that it is too inexpensive... we all tend to value things based on what we pay
    for them... I have to remind myself every day that of all the projects on my desk, THIS is my priority. Don't make the mistake of
    underestimating this opportunity... an opportunity like THIS will NOT be coming along again in our lifetime."

    "We are at a CRUCIAL TIME... just ahead of the greatest growth...
    CRITICAL MASS is approaching. It has taken YTB 6 years to get to 125,000 RTAs. We will arrive at 250,000 sometime in 2008.

    That means that CRITICAL MASS is beginning, and when CRITICAL MASS happens, it will never ever happen again.

    As a business consultant many clients have asked me about when
    to get into a new business. We have found that the time to enter
    any new business is at the inception of CRITICAL MASS... when
    the market goes from arithmetic growth to geometric growth.

    That's when LEVERAGE is maximized. In this history of YTB that time is RIGHT NOW!

    This is a great company, and it will be a great company many
    years from now, but I saw that in the future I will NOT have the opportunity to multiply my efforts 20 fold or even 100 fold like I do RIGHT NOW.

    If you are NOT putting at least ONE HOUR every day into this
    business, you are making a very costly mistake."

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  11. LoL I don't the "real" and Dr. Seligman should be put in the same sentence until that has been proven. These people are taking his opinions as gospel and the man may/may not even exist. Frigtening

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  12. Anon---that is from the audio clip. It is a 45 minute infomercial for YTB.

    Since you know Dr. Bob---see if he will tell us how much this opportunity has made him so far.

    And as a "business consultant" one would think you could find him o? And certainly one that believes there have been no successful businesses before YTB is absurd!

    If you see Dr. Bob...ask him when the last time he was at Windsor Mountain? The truth on this will also come out along with Lindauer and the RTA masquerading as a director!

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  13. lol - I'm not surprised they do the Harvard claim. I'm starting to think that all MLM's use that claim as well. Mary Kay uses that claim and they were indeed used as a "case study" for someone's class they were doing for a business class, but it wasn't being promoted by Harvard themselves. Amazing how the English language can be twisted to suit one's purpose :-)

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  14. TravelLisa said, "These people are taking his opinions as gospel and the man may/may not even exist. Frigtening."

    Now, do you take John's words as "gospel"? Many of his "opinions" and presumptions have been proven wrong by Doug and Proud on numerous occasions.

    "Frightening"? Really?

    1. To fill with fear; alarm.
    2. To drive or force by arousing fear.

    So if Dr. Bob may/may not exist this causes you fear or alarm? TL, you must be have'n a lousy day.

    P.S You forgot the "h".

    olescorekeeper ;>)

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  15. I googled him and couldn't find any info on him other than this YTB link. http://makalika.vacationmedia.net/investigateytb.php

    Maybe we could contact this link and ask them where to find the good doctor.

    Maybe he's out riding around in his cocaine white bently and can't be located at this time.
    Maybe he is busy watching the Secret with Lisa and Matt from their website..."Then one day, in July 2007, we saw the movie The Secret. My Mom had given it to me. She thought it was something that might interest me. She had no idea that it would change not only my life, but Lisa's as well. If you haven't seen the movie, it's about The Law of Attraction, one of the Laws of The Universe. This law states that what ever you think and feel, you attract more of the same. If you are grateful for the things you now have, you will be given more to be grateful for. Lisa and I finally had the inspiration as well as the knowledge to succeed. And then...

    ...It was Mom again! She sent me an email from a friend of hers that just started this travel business. Lisa and I checked it out. We thought the idea of having our own travel site was intriguing. Then we attended a YTB company presentation a few days later. Again, our lives were transformed."
    These are the people who have the good doctors info listed

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  16. Scorekeeper--

    Can you please list the times that John was proven wrong by Doug and especially Proud To Be YTB?

    THen in a subsequent post, please post the times that those two fools were proven wrong by John.

    It is funny as someone said--when someone agrees with John we are taking John's word as "gospel" and following like lemmings.

    Yet when someone from YTB agrees with Proud To Be YTB or Doug it is because of research.

    Most people are not that naive to see the dichotomy.

    SO go ahead Old Score Keeper--please substantiate!

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  17. Ole

    No I do not take anyone's word for gospel, as I seek the info out myself. I was defending my career long before I knew of this blog.

    I see quite a few people "pushing" the reason to join YTB if Dr. Bob is doing it" BS, Here's an excerpt from another blog just a few days ago.

    TravelTheworldFeb 22 08:08 PMMy WebsiteThis is why you should join YTB

    Investigate YTB with Dr. Bob Seligman, PhD
    allenbytravel.vacationmedia.net/investigateytb.php

    Best to All
    Leighton
    www.8Trillion.com

    We do not even know who this man is and what his credentials are, because there is NOTHING on him. If he had the credentials he's claiming there would be something. Does that not ring BS to you? You work for this company, do you not care? Do you not want to know?. Or as long as its lining your pockets its all good?

    As for the frightening, thanks for being my spell checker, and it was a figure of speech. It is interesting though that your only response was to "pick" on my use of words and spelling.

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  18. Insider said,
    "Scorekeeper--

    Can you please list the times that John was proven wrong by Doug and especially Proud To Be YTB?"

    To list all the times would be tantamount to writing a novel. But, here's just one little ditty that comes to mind.

    "Oct. 2007
    John said, "Today, I heard that the Rhode Island Attorney General has shut down all RI-based YTB agents."

    What he "heard" and what he reported was false information even though John said, "NOTE: This is information that was given to me by someone I deem reputable."

    This is nothing other then IRRESPONSIBLE REPORTING unless John purports to be a gossip columnist.

    Just a small sample for you Insider.

    Now go take a look at Dougs blog the difference in what is honest reporting. http://travel-pro.blogspot.com/

    olescorekeeper

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  19. Does anybody remember all the replies from the YTBers when John "heard" YTB lost IATAN and RCL?

    QUESTION:
    Is there ANYTHING AT ALL that any YTBer here would say they DON'T like about YTB?

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  20. An Insider Who Knows asked…
    “Can you please list the times that John was proven wrong by Doug.”

    Let’s see…this weekend

    “Travelpro has provided a document that says the Reps are not required to pay for the travel agent training to receive the payment in this program.”

    Then I pointed out that John pulled incorrect numbers

    “CORRECTION: I pulled some incorrect numbers from the SEC filing and it does appear that YTB did in fact pay just over $65M”

    John didn’t realize Vicki was not in St. Louis.

    “EDIT NOTE: Per a comment, I stand corrected.”

    Hell just today I had to tell him that you can’t figure out an “average” without first having a “total”.

    To John’s credit, HE DID make the corrections when pointed out. Most just stick their heads in the sand and start mumbling something about some river in Egypt.

    We are not here to point out who is right or wrong. We are here to see if we can find some truth in the mess.

    Oh and one last one…

    Can I count who was going to win the Super Bowl?

    Go Patriots? ;-P

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  21. iontop said...
    "Does anybody remember all the replies from the YTBers when John "heard" YTB lost IATAN and RCL?"

    Yes, and I said business relationships come and go and the IATAN/RCL issue would be inconsequential. And so it was. But, admittedly, it did give the old hens something to cluck about.

    "QUESTION:
    Is there ANYTHING AT ALL that any YTBer here would say they DON'T like about YTB?"

    Oh Yes. The music at the conference was a little to loud and my YTB golf shirts I bought didn't wear too well.

    olescorekeeper

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  22. I never said I was always right and when I am wrong, I will admit the mistake as Doug pointed out.

    On Rhode Island, I had indeed heard that the AG was shutting them down. YTB did indeed pull booking capability from the RI sites and I did get a letter from an attorney from the AG office confirming that there was an investigation but before they received it it needed to be completed through DBS (Dept. of Business Services?)

    Doug's numbers today are inaccurate. In order to figure a retention rate you need an average number throughout the year. Having 136,000 at the end of the year is NOT the average when you started with 60,000. It is somewhere in between. So nothing was proven this morning.

    AS for Seligman--that too is unproven

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  23. Ahh Ole, are you turning in to CM now with the old hen comments.

    IATAN and RCCL are inconsequential? Well IATAN would be to YTB because apparently you manufacture your own "fake" industry cards/employee cards and get supposed discounts/upgrades with them.

    RCCL/Celebrity again no big deal? YTB was selling approx $13mil on them before that happened. Now all of a sudden no YTB clients want that cruise line anymore..or are they going elsewhere to book it? Or are they just be being pushed towards the lesser lines?

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  24. TravelLisa said...
    "Ahh Ole, are you turning in to CM now with the old hen comments."

    Sorry about that TL.

    As for your IATAN/RCCL comments, since there is nothing new to talk about, I'm not interested in rehashing the subject.

    By the way TravelLisa, why is it I hear Fran Drescher's voice when I read your posts? ;>)

    olescorekeeper

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  25. The reply about golf shirts is pretty much what I expected. Do they say 'Travel for Free' or 'Coach is God' on them?

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  26. iontop said..."The reply about golf shirts is pretty much what I expected. Do they say 'Travel for Free' or 'Coach is God' on them?"

    Mine says IONTOP.

    olescorekeeper

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  27. RCL IS no big deal...unless your in the travel biz. If you're in the recruiting websites biz..."inconsequential".

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  28. I hope it has a pyramid on the bottom...

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  29. Doug’s number is dead on.

    http://www.thecommercejournal.com/Other-Business-Finance/133407.htm

    total # of employees = x
    # of employees quit/fired = y
    total # - # quit/fired = z

    (x-y)=z
    (z/x)*100=retention %

    for example:
    100 employees total
    25 quit/fired
    (100-25)=75
    (75/100)*100=75
    75% retention

    Wrong AGAIN John!

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  30. Hey Ole, if not having IATAN is no big deal, let me ask you this.

    Are you, or anyone else in YTB, going to Maui for a week for $969 (that includes air, hotel and meals) for the GoGo Tours Learning Conference, which, after you complete it, you will be able to call yourself a Hawaii Destination Specialist?

    Oh, I already know the answer, and it's NO, because you don't have an IATA card!

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  31. What number are you using for your # of employees? The number at the beginning of the year? The number at the end of the year?

    It makes a HUGE difference! That is why you need an average.

    Example: 60,000 with 20,000 quitting works out to a 33% turnover

    140,000 with 20,000 quitting works out to 14% turnover.

    So, you really need to look at the number of RTAs in each month and average it out to get a real number

    Not wrong


    140,000-20,000=120,000=85%
    According to your formula.

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  32. Ole,

    Far from Fran Drescher..but think what you want. I quite imagine you the 35 year old computer geek living in his parents basement..but I could be wrong.

    :)

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  33. LOL - TL is the ultimate old hen.

    Like anybody gives a crap about what she says anyway - all dribble.

    When I read her posts - it's like finger nails on a chalk board.

    In addition - retention rate would be starting reps - expired reps = retention rate - any new reps would be utilized in the next period as beginning reps added to the sum above - in my opinion.

    Tom

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  34. Hey Tom,

    Failure, whatever you go by now. Your making fun of TL? You have stated that you made no money with YTB? Why is that? Because 99% of the YTB don't make jack. Your a failure, your a idiot, you have no inside sources, and if you do, they fail also. If your calling anyone a old hen, maybe you should be calling yourself a old idiot, because everything out of your mouth, is BS. You and DOUG and you anonymous buddy, were proven wrong again. Wheres the big news in USAToday? Oh wait there wasn't any BIG news.....more like BIG snooze!

    Shouldnt you be scamming people on the insurance scam? I'm sure you can't make it there either. So just go away...you always say you will go away...but then you come back spewing more crap...and none of it makes sense. Don't call people out until you can get some sense of realism. Oh wait you can't, you lie, and its been proven....just go away, and make your life better..get a real job, that you can make a living at.

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  35. Funny what a few glasses of Thunderbird does to the common man.

    olescorekeeper

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  36. YTBScam said:
    "You and DOUG and you anonymous buddy, were proven wrong again."

    Sorry Scam...the numbers are all there and the numbers are not wrong. Follow along. (If your "pea brain" can.)

    Take starting RTA's at the beginning of the year which is known by RTA's "as of December 31" the prior year. (Example 100,000)

    Add RTA's who have joined YTB throughout the year which is also known as "Site Sales". (Example 200,000)

    This equals 300,000 TOTAL RTA's who were with YTB for the entire year. (John's question of what # of employees we are using.)

    Now take this number and subtract the number of RTA's that YTB ended up with on December 31 for the current year, which is also known. (Example 250,000)

    This gives you a drop of 50,000 RTA's. (300K - 250K = 50K) Which was John's original question answered by Doug. "How many RTA's Drop out a year."

    Now use John's equation which is correct.

    50,000 / 300,000 * 100 = 16.66%

    Retention is defined by how many people YTB is able to keep throughout the year, which is 83.33% based on this example.

    Doug is correct based on both Annual and Quarterly reports filed with the SEC which Doug was smart enough to make available for everyone to see and verify.

    Now if you can prove the SEC reports wrong...that's a different story, sooooooo...

    Put up or shut up.

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  37. Tom

    At least I come to this board to contribute, state my opinions without resorting to childish banter as you do. If you have something to say..say it. Enough with acting like a 6 year old.

    Unlike you, this is my profession, and I come here for a reason. I do not come here for anyones approval, if you or anyone else doesn't like me..oh well. Get over it, ignore me, or click the x. Until John decides he doesnt want me here, because this is his blog, I will remain.

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  38. Travelpro says:
    "70% guys…Seventy Percent.

    No matter how you slice it, it still looks pretty incredible."

    So almost a third of the RTAs dropped at least 500 bucks and walked away. I'll agree, that IS incredible.
    At the next recruitment meeting they should say "Look at the person sitting on either side of you...if they're still here next year chances are you'll be gone."

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  39. Taking that 30% number....

    that means that of the 140,000 RTAs out there now, 42,000 will drop from the program.

    These RTAs paid in $18,897,900 to join the program.

    These same RTAs paid $2,097,900 per month to remain in the program or $25,174,800 for the year.

    So because the program has such a good attrition rate, YTB has pocketed $44,072,700 per year on the failures they recruit.

    As the number continues to grow, they will earn more. No wonder the program is designed to facilitate failure!

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  40. And who do we blame for the ones who dropped out... aside from the ones who dropped out? NOBODY! They dropped out by their own decision.

    Also, for a company to have a 2/3 retention rate... that's considered very good.

    In many businesses across America, the retention rate is a lot less. People either get tired of the job they have, quit, and find another one. Others get fired and are forced onto the unemployment lines. Unemployment is still at an all time high.

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  41. "Unemployment is still at an all time high."

    No, it is not. And, if you were educated you would know this. Unemployment was at an all time high during the Depression. The political pundits are making you believe it is to get votes. You people really have no clue about finances or anything. No wonder you were so easily suckered into YTB>

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  42. I see that olescorekeeper had absolutly no comment about not being able to take part in the Hawaii trip because they have no IATA card! And I thought losing IATAN was no big deal.

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  43. I'm not talking about the great depression. I'm talking about in this decade. It's a good thing Bush can't run again, because if he continued, we'de be heading into the great depression part deux! Many companies have closed down in the past year alone. People have been laid off, because the companies can no longer afford them. they want people who make less money so they can keep their profits. Other companies can no longer afford to provide healthcare for their associates, forcing them to fend for themselves in that area. If you can get your head out of the politician's asses, you would be able to see this is true! Just look at the world around you! It's right outside your front door!

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  44. Hallalujah!!! YTB will save us. YTB will save us. Well, it might save the coach and his boys and girls, but the rest of you are doomed. Do any of you have Dr Bob's phone number? He's on your site isn't he proud? I really need to talk to him about economics!

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  45. Ok, how did I get thrown back into here Eddie? No Bob isn't on my site... personally. It is a good point that anonymous made though.

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  46. And anonymous, in correction to your percentage, you said that the retention rate is 2/3. Judging by the numbers given, it is more like somewhere between 70% and 80%... which is in the ballpark of a 3/4 retention.

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  47. Get a life everyone. You are acting like children!

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  48. I think I may have found the infamous "Dr Bob". I found his name on hundreds of documents listed with the SEC. Most were from companies that he has purchased or developed. Could this be our man? If you listen to the recording it sounds like it might be something up his alley. I talked to one of those YTBers who told me he knew Dr. Bob personally. I tried to pump him for info. All I found out is that he lives somewhere warm and has had some health issues. Well THIS DR BOB is based in Nevada. Check it out.

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  49. I think the YTB Seligman does indeed live in Nevada in the Tahoe area. I Believe he is in the photo at the top as well. If the photo is indeed him, pretty much all the BS we have called is indeed true.

    There apparently is a high school diploma. Beyond that--not so much!

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  50. Someone just sent me this link. I don't know if it is him or not. the UCLA thing does match up. Not much on the other credentials.
    http://www.levenseligman.com/jsp3017445.jsp

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  51. Skeptic--I don't think so. In his YTB speech, nothing was mentioned about being an attorney.

    This bio does not reflect anything else he claims to have done--Fox, Barry Diller, Secret Service, GE, etc.

    I never saw or heard of a law connection from the YTB Seligman.

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  52. I relistened to the audio. The interviewer states that Dr Bob is not "Boastfull" and basically does not like to toot his own horn. Could he have left the law thing off to prevent us from finding him?

    Think about it if you were practicing law would you reveal all that other stuff about yourself. No, your clients would think you were spread to thin.

    It might be worth checking out so we can end this. Does anyone know anyone in LA that can check this out?

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  53. If you were an attorney would you make up all that other bullshit knowing that it would be placed on thousands of websites?

    And certainly all that he boasts of--being a published author and a "financial columnist" should be verifiable and what he claims in the audio has nothing to do with real estate which is what all the attorney Seligman's bio is all about.

    The attorney bio also does not jive with dates. Attorney graduated college in 73 and Viet Nam was almost over by then--certainly not enough time to serve six tours of duty.

    The Seligman in the audio likely graduated from a private high school in Lennox Massachusetts in 1964. If indeed he was involved in the conflict in Viet Nam, this date makes a lot more sense.

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  54. I just found your post trying to find info on a news story that was published on my sons friend. I can not believe you people. Trashing a good man like Mr Seligman. My son went to school with his grandson. This is a man of honor who SERVED our country with dignity! You are all trying to slice him off at the knees and call him a liar and a crook. Shame on all of you! He is a good man and would do anything for any one of you. He is one of the kindest people I have ever met. He is everything he says he is and much much more. Just because a man is successful you have to knock him down. This is a vet who watched countless friends die on the battlefield. Give him the respect he deserves. I don't know much about this YBT thing, but if Mr Seligman is endorsing it. Sign me up!

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  55. No one called him a crook. Perhaps "Mister" Seligman (as you referred to him) as opposed to "Doctor" Seligman (as he refers to himself as well as everyone else) would like to come forward and clear his name instead of sending the grandmother of one of his grandchildren. Just maybe!

    And is Selgman your son's friend like you say, or did your son to to school with his grandson? Seems inconsistent here.

    And if indeed he would do "anything for any one of you", please let him know to come forward and explain the discrepancies.

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  56. The news article I was looking for when i found this RAG of yours was in regards to my sons friend the grandson of your DOCTOR Seligman!
    I will NOT give you his name for fear of how you would try to slander him!
    If you have ever heard him talk he never refers to himself as DOCTOR, he is to humble for that. It's always MR Seligman or Bob. Your "Dr Seligman" was the guest speaker at my sons graduation. I think you owe him a serious apollogy! I just hope he never finds this piece of ##@# you call a blog!

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  57. Well--thanks for your opinion. Perhaps because you know him so well, it is a different person....this guy was a senior VP of
    Fox and reported to Barry Diller
    Executive Director of the Screen Writers Guild
    Designed the counter terrorism unit for the US Secret Service
    VP of New York Life
    Executive at GE
    Special Forced
    Earned a MBA from Harvard
    PhD From Oxford

    Are you sure we are talking about the same guy?

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  58. Then by all means give him the URL and tell him to come explain the discrepancies to us!

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  59. March 12, 2008
    I have never met such a bunch of negative people as you folk. How much are you all earning. Are you free from debt. If you are, you can talk. I am free of all debt. I am a missionary from South Africa living in the US. YTB has enabled me to double my normal income and I have been able to write off tens of thousands in legitimate expenses. My dealings with YTB have been nothing but positive this past year. I have a 90% retention rate which is very high. As for scams, your blog is the real scam..you dont know what you are are talking about. Oh yes, by the way the DSA has approved YTB last year after a year of scruteny. Also, in case you are not aware, the biggest scruteny comes from the government when you are a publically traded company.

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  60. I believe that the person who did start this negative comment really needs to investigate further. Let's got back to the saying, "If you do not have anything nice to say, Just Do Not Say It". I think that saying really comes into play here.
    Unless you have experienced YTB and been involved with YTB, you really have no room to talk. It is a wonderful company and is unmatchable.
    Please do more research before you comment.

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  61. PLENTY of research was done before this entry was made. Perhaps you are privy to some information that we are not, so please enlighten us. Can you put us in contact with Dr. Seligman?

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