Thanks for your patience in putting up with the inane anonymous comments for the past few months. Effective on Monday, January 5, 2009, we will revert back to requiring a registration to post comments on this blog. Of course, as always we will not be moderating or picking and choosing what comments to publish--we can leave that to the other guys!
However, I do encourage anyone with an opinion (on either side of this argument) to register, post and let your voice be heard. While I can see the allure of anonymous posting, to me it somewhat indicates a certain amount of cowardice--especially when all that is really required is a simple google registration.
Yay!
ReplyDeleteWatch all those Anon YTBers disappear. I say that if they are so proud YTB they need not hide.
I have posted a couple times as ANON bc I don't want to be harassed.
Some folks may not post because of that John. But I agree that those YTB people need to 'man' up!
Ironic that you posted that as an ANON. I would agree that there are quite a few ANON ytb posters, but therre are just as many ANON non-ytbers.
ReplyDeleteEither way, I think it is good. Not sure the point of posting ANON as you could call yourself anything and be essentially anonymous.
I am Josh, but what does that mean to anyone?
Truth is, it just makes it easier to try to have a conversation if you can use a name.
Why did you allow them in the first place?
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ReplyDeleteYay!
Watch all those Anon YTBers disappear. I say that if they are so proud YTB they need not hide.
I have posted a couple times as ANON bc I don't want to be harassed.
Some folks may not post because of that John. But I agree that those YTB people need to 'man' up!"
Yet you still post as anonymous. But the YTB people need "man up"? Sigh.
firemedic said...
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Yet you still post as anonymous. But the YTB people need "man up"? Sigh.
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That is definitely funny!!!!!
Problem is the YTB people are in violation of the new rules posting on this blog. That's why they hide. I am truly surprised Josh and Firemedic are posting again? They must not be afraid of the compliance dept.
ReplyDeleteBut YTBers and TTAs alike can come up with monikers that cannot be traced back to them ... so although YTB says you can't blog or comment about YTB, how do they know who the hell you are???
ReplyDeleteAre you THAT dumb to not realize that anonymous or not, your IP leaves traces of who you are everywhere you surf?
ReplyDeleteI'm not hiding. But if you are NOT with YTB, why are you hiding???
ReplyDeleteYTB is not tracing IP's.
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ReplyDeleteYTB is not tracing IP's.
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So, give us your name.
Anon- I have to agree-- YTB is probably not tracing IPs. I am not sure they would have a way to do so.
ReplyDeleteYou people (like always) can't read. I post as ANON b/c I have been harrassed with emails and calls from you unprofessional idiots.
ReplyDeleteEither way, I am glad when he turns it off. B/c whether I post or not, at least we won't hear from you annoying YTBers.
Well except Denyse who is STILL with YTB, and think she is holier than thou, especially since she HALFWAY moved from the dark side.
tracing IP adresses... thats funny...
ReplyDeletehave you never heard of SPOOFING?
And do you know how many court orders and man hours and money it takes to trace an IP?
If its not SPOOFED, you can trace it to an ISP... but somebody at the ISP has to go searching thru the logs to see who had what IP at a specific time. That time comes with a price...
Now if you have a STATIC IP ADDRESS like at a business, the IP ADDRESS can be traced easier...
But then how many Local IP's are behind that ROUTER with the PUBLIC IP.
If it's going thru a ROUTER, how can you tell which apartment or office are the posts coming from?
Trace an IP... GET REAL!
Spoofing is an email term and not an IP term. You are probably confused with a proxy server.
ReplyDeleteBut you are correct, tracing an IP can be difficult when multiple computers are sharing a router, but I know that most large ISPs have the ability to tell you virtually instantly, the name and address of a particular post when given the IP address and the date and time.
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ReplyDeleteWell except Denyse who is STILL with YTB, and think she is holier than thou, especially since she HALFWAY moved from the dark side.
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Once again, you profess to know something about someone you know not of. I never said I LEFT YTB, I have said I am dually-aligned. I have my reasons for that at this point.....AND ITS NOT TO PROFIT FROM A DOWNLINE.
And who's harrassing you??
You GO GIRL! Tell him!
ReplyDeleteYTB FOREVER!
LOL...who is that??
ReplyDeleteYou might want top read up on IP SPOOFING buddy...
ReplyDeletehttp://tinyurl.com/2yt5
People on this post seem to know as much about the Internet as they do Travel...
Or anything else for that matter...
Get it??? That was a joke... HA HA
As a matter of fact, I will share why I'm still there.
ReplyDeleteI think the Passport 2 Giving program is awesome! I have numerous organizations who are participating in that program. I also have approximately 200 churches.
This has been a great program for fundraising in these organizations, who always experience a challenge in obtaining unrestricted income.
There is NOTHING but travel taking place. No one in any organization acts in the capacity of a "pseudo-agent" because I book the vacations that are not directly booked by individuals on the sites. I receive a percentage of the travel commissions generated just as TTAs do on their ICs.
I choose to continue with this program because I love it and I have too many organizations that I choose not to desert. It has nothing to do with recruiting or profiting from a downline, but servicing organizations who have been able to do some fantastic things BECAUSE of this program.
AMEN! These people think they know all about YTB...
ReplyDeleteThe P2G is a FANTASTIC program helping numbers of NON-PROFITS fundraise.
These people that want to shut YTB down will be answering for their SINS if all these NON-PROFITS suffer.
They have NO IDEA what YTB is REALLY ALL ABOUT!
Oh yeah the great SINNERS will pay! LOL The only ones that should be paying for their sins, are those in YTB who have been scamming people out of their good hard money. And that starts at the top with good ole "Coach"!
ReplyDeleteHow much did they take you for?
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ReplyDeleteOh yeah the great SINNERS will pay! LOL The only ones that should be paying for their sins, are those in YTB who have been scamming people out of their good hard money. And that starts at the top with good ole "Coach"!
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Well I can introduce you to some people who are grateful for that company. They've been able to accomplish some things and provide services they would not have been able to do had it not been for that program.
I have one church who supports underprivileged youth by exposing them to cultural events and providing much needed school supplies and everyday necessities. They couldn't do that without the income from that program.
So, everyone does NOT feel scammed, contrary to your beliefs. There is no good hard money that is lost. Individuals pay nothing except what they would have already paid for - their vacation. Organizations have lost nothing when they turn a profit. And profits ARE made or they would not have been able to provide the services.
AMEN!
ReplyDeleteI seriously doubt anyone was "harassing" the anon above. If anyone gets harassed, it's the YTB affiliates that post on here.
ReplyDeleteNow that's the absolute truth.
ReplyDeleteI have a question Denyse...
ReplyDeleteIf the Passport to Giving program is going so well then why is there never any mention of it on the quarterlies? Why is there no charitable contribution mentioned? I have a hard time believing that YTB is giving money to charity and not claiming it. What's up with that? And if YTB is counting it as a charitable donation, and the organization that has the site is also counting it as a charitable donation, isn't that double dipping in the IRS deduction pool?
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ReplyDeleteYou people (like always) can't read. I post as ANON b/c I have been harrassed with emails and calls from you unprofessional idiots.
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I have my full contact information in my profile, and have never been harrassed by TTAs or by YTB members. Perhaps if you stick to discussing the facts and not engaging in personal name calling and other low-life behavior you wouldn't get harrassed either. Of course, since you are anon, I have no way of knowing if you personally did any name calling or participated in any low-life behavior. I use that as an example of why you might get harassed.
I will also say that aside from Earl and one other guy who I cannot remember, I have never been harassed. Sure I have had spirited email arguments and many long,phone calls that yielded nothing, but again, aside from Earl and that one guy...nada
ReplyDeleteDenyse, I am curious as to how much your Churches and non profits make from the Passport to Giving program.
ReplyDeleteI know several non profits who got involved with it and did not see a dime.
And, you can set up a similar program under your host. Can you not?
Amen Steve.
ReplyDeleteRegarding the Passport 2 Giving program-YTB is actually making more money (commission) than the non-profit entity is. This does not even include the money that YTB is making from the RTA (in fees) on top of that.
ReplyDeleteIn addition, there have been numerous reports of non profits terminating their relationship with this program because as the above poster said "they did not see a dime."
While I am happy anyone chooses to work with a legit host over YTB. You can't have it both ways. There are ways to help non profits without being involved in a scam outfit like YTB.
So Debbie are you in YTB? You pass yourself off as a TTA and your website looks legit but you sure spend a lot of time defending them. You can't have it both ways honey.
ReplyDeleteJesus is going to be upset with you Denyse for the lies you spew! Does your current host know you are still affiliated with YTB? Do you mind if I call them? Can I share them the links to here where you go on and on about the Passport 2 Giving program? Sounds like you are serving two masters and Jesus is not going to be happy about that either!
ReplyDeleteYou post enough all over the web (Google is your friend) and because of cached pages, you cannot delete them now.
For someone who claims they have worked as hard as you do in the travel industry, you sure as hell have a lot of time on your hands to post as much as you do. No one gives a care if you a Princess Commodore or NCL specialist or all the other specialists you claim you are.
Hey Anon, why don't you read Steve's post above?
ReplyDeleteI am going to close off the anon posts right now.
ReplyDeleteNo host has the right to say you cannot work with another host. As a matter of fact, the most successful agents work with several hosts.
The personal attacks are really uncalled for and I think we all know Denyse is/was with YTB and was a staunch defender of the program. So yes, her posts online will likely remain. But people do indeed change their minds. Personally attacking her is just low.
Seeya later anon!
kholmes said...
ReplyDeleteI have a question Denyse...
If the Passport to Giving program is going so well then why is there never any mention of it on the quarterlies? Why is there no charitable contribution mentioned? I have a hard time believing that YTB is giving money to charity and not claiming it. What's up with that? And if YTB is counting it as a charitable donation, and the organization that has the site is also counting it as a charitable donation, isn't that double dipping in the IRS deduction pool?
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I haven't a clue what you're talking about Kate. What is YTB counting as a charitable donation????
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ReplyDeleteDenyse, I am curious as to how much your Churches and non profits make from the Passport to Giving program.
I know several non profits who got involved with it and did not see a dime.
And, you can set up a similar program under your host. Can you not?
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I have one account that has earned $10,000 in travel commissions.
I can't speak for other non-profits. There are factors that have to be taken into consideration, such as if the RTA actively works with that account to make it successful and if the account actually implements the marketing plan that is in place. I spoke with a young lady the other day who has transferred to another host and had P2G accounts. I asked who is servicing those accounts and she said "I have no idea". I will guarantee that'll be an unsuccessful account.
I have no idea whether I can set up a similar program under another host. These accounts have their own websites branded with their own logos.
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ReplyDeleteJesus is going to be upset with you Denyse for the lies you spew! Does your current host know you are still affiliated with YTB? Do you mind if I call them? Can I share them the links to here where you go on and on about the Passport 2 Giving program? Sounds like you are serving two masters and Jesus is not going to be happy about that either!
You post enough all over the web (Google is your friend) and because of cached pages, you cannot delete them now.
For someone who claims they have worked as hard as you do in the travel industry, you sure as hell have a lot of time on your hands to post as much as you do. No one gives a care if you a Princess Commodore or NCL specialist or all the other specialists you claim you are.
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You can do whatever you like; I'm sure you will anyway. But, yes, they DO know I am with YTB as does the TTA who is training me. And you don't have to care what I've achieved. My clients care. I don't spend half as much time here as you do.
"I have one account that has earned $10,000 in travel commissions."
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So, that account is booking over 100,000+ in travel? Uh huh.
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ReplyDelete"I have one account that has earned $10,000 in travel commissions."
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So, that account is booking over 100,000+ in travel? Uh huh.
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They did two really good group cruises.