And the drivel continues from Endless Drivel Travel......
It isn’t just about where I can get the best percentage commission. If all I wanted to do was book cruises…I would just go get a job doing that. Chasing a higher commission split is not unique to those in the travel industry, and though some will do just that…I am not one of them.
Plenty of business to go around my friend…and yes…the high I experience being my own boss is incredible with no employees and with no overhead is awesome. As an independent contractor, I gladly pay a monthly service fee, which is in fact reimbursed, for YTB to handle my licensing fees, E&O and all the paperwork.
And now I see that a new
Does YTB even have E&O? It seems like after the bus driver scam, the group of students that was scammed out of $48,000 and the group of ladies that were scammed out of their Las Vegas trip last year, their E&O coverage would have been toast. If this guy had any clue at all, he would know that he needs to carry his own E&O. But then if he had any clue at all he wouldn't be in YTB in the first place.
ReplyDeleteSo Mr. Cushman wants to do more than to "book cruises"? What is it that he wants to do? If it's recruit, why does he even have a travel store site? Why is he mixing the supposed 2 different opportunities? Having a downline is the only way to get his montly service fee's reimbursed.
ReplyDeleteAnd aside from Kate's reference to the E&O, I find it interesting that now someone is claiming that ytb is paying for all the licensing fees. Does that include Mr. Cushman's local licensing fees? Most localities require that you have a business license to operate, if not a state seller of travel license. Ytb is handling all his paperwork? Does that include all the recordkeeping that is required by the IRS to take any of the home office deductions that they do allow? There is so much that Mr. Cushman, and probably the majority of all ytbers DON'T know that it's astounding.
What's funny, John, is how you call this guy's words "endless drivel" when your drivel goes back about a year and one-half now on this blog, rarely missing a day. And many times not missing a holiday. Things seem to be getting slow though since you milked this guy most of the week and applied him to your "drivel". But I will say for the record that he is wrong about the E&O insurance unless YTB handles the group booking.
ReplyDeleteI always find the misinformation the YTBites spread all over the web to be interesting.
ReplyDeleteMaybe your jealous cause nobody at Traverus is trying to recruit YOU anymore? From what i hear the Traverus people only recruit people who want to sell travel big time so I guess that leaves you out.
OOOOOHHHH! Boy, eddie sure got me! I have been put in my place once again by the Drive-By TTA's.
ReplyDeleteAnyone every notice how the ytbers like ole C-Rad never address anything? Read his responses from both yesterday, today......hell, all of his responses. Wonder why that is?
ReplyDeleteOOOHHHH! Nailed by the almighty Ainsworth! Boy, I am sure taking a beating today!
ReplyDeleteAnyone ever notice that Ainsworth/Joe/Margaret/Veronica misses a lot when reading? I do believe one of the issues today was about the E&O comment and if you read a little further up there Veronica JoeMargsWorth you will see I commented on it. Good thing Veronica JoeMargsWorth isn't the EIC of the Drive-By TTA's.
As ole rush says - the truth hurts! Bad!
ReplyDeleteYou keep referring to us as Drive-By TTA's. I would imagine that most of us have many more years in the industry then YTB's even been around. I know I've been in it 3 times longer. How exactly does that make us Drive-bys? Or are you just trying to be cool with your homie lingo.
ReplyDeleteYou guys and Gals are a HOOT!
ReplyDeleteThat's what you are a REAL HOOT!
Ainsworth...
Most Localities DO NOT require a business license to operate as an outside sales rep.
Most States DO NOT require a State Seller of Travel License.
And it is my understanding, that anything booked on a YTB website is covered by E&O insurance. The RTA must provide their own E&O insurance if the RTA booked travel directly thru a vendor, and then submitted a commission claim form for travel not booked DIRECTLY on the YTB website. YTB's E&O insurance is for any travel that is booked directly thru the website, not just group bookings. Anyway, you people are HOOTS for thinking that having a travel website makes you a Travel Agent.
I will say that YTB has some deals on CRUISES that the other internet sites don't publish.
I booked a Balcony on Princess for $200 less than any of the other internet travel sites I could find online. Maybe I got Lucky, but the young lady at my church will hopefully get the commission on my booking. That will more than pay her monthly fee. I do not consider her a travel agent, but I would rather her get the commission than one of the HATE Mongers on this blog. I will be having a HOOTIN Time on my upcoming CRUISE!
H(0)(0)T! H(*)(*)T!
Ya'll have a HOOTIN good day now ya hear!
"That will more than pay her monthly fee. I do not consider her a travel agent, but I would rather her get the commission than one of the HATE Mongers on this blog."
ReplyDeleteMarvin, hoot hoot, hate to burst your bubble pal but the commission she is going to get from the cruise line is not that great and then YTB takes their share of the pie. I hope she has a plan b or second income stream. LOL!
That comment about us being hate mongers is too funny. You are helping a known scam artist and con man by booking online. We don't hate YTB or anyone else we just want their scamming, lying asses to be held culpable and to go away. And, they will it's just a matter of time. And poor Church going people as your friend will be left holding the bag or in this case without money.
Hoot Hoot. It's a real Hoot Marvin. Pathetic is what it is. And, so are you.
"You keep referring to us as Drive-By TTA's. I would imagine that most of us have many more years in the industry then YTB's even been around. I know I've been in it 3 times longer. How exactly does that make us Drive-bys? Or are you just trying to be cool with your homie lingo."
ReplyDeleteLet me refer you back to yesterday for the explanation Lisa.
"Being a "Drive-By TTA" has nothing to do with how long you've been in the industry. I wouldn't expect you to know where the term "Drive-By" was coined being the liberal you are. The term was coined by Rush Limbaugh in response to the media. He calls them the "Drive-By Media" when in response to how they report their liberal biases. They see a group on people, jump into the middle of them, tell a bunch of lies and misinformation, then drive off to spread the next lie. It just seemed fitting to the group of TTA's on this site but I certainly couldn't call you media. Therefore I coined the phrase the "drive-by TTA's". Just as irresponsible as the media and just as bitter. :)"
why would you call someone who has an online travel website a scam artist?
ReplyDeleteIs Travelocity a scam website?
Is Barry Diller (Expedia) a scam artist?
You are saying that anyone who books travel online is helping scam artists...
She has a full time job working in the same office building as my office. As John Pointed out when he published the commission rates, she should be making 70% of the 15% that the cruise line is paying on the cruises booked on her website. There were 4 balcony cabins booked by me and my family at $649 before port fees and taxes. My math shows $97.35 commission at 15% of which she will receive 70% of that which would be $68.15 times 8 people = $545.16
That seems like decent pocket change for doing nothing but have a website that cost $50 a month. But you say she is a scam artist for doing this?
What is this bag you refer to that she will be left holding? the one with $545.16?
I bet you'd hold that bag is somebody gave it to you.
HOOT HOOT! Mexico here I come...
Mavin, Yes, if someone is involved in a company that has a bad reputation and is a known MLM/Pyramid/Ponzi scheme that make them just as culpable. If your friend is serious about selling travel there are hosts that she can join that don't require you to recruit or pay a monthly fee and give a better commission split. There is enough evidence and documentation against YTB if someone chooses to stay in it now they are just as corrupt as their founders.
ReplyDeleteAnd, how do you know what commission split she is getting from the cruise lines? That information is not for public consumption. I am sending your post to all the cruise lines for them to see how YTB is violating their contracts with them and posting confidential information.
John, Thanks for your mention in your TRO article. LOL!
ReplyDeleteAlso, comparing yourself to doctors is pretty funny. I get what you are saying about calling themselves "travel agents". But you actually have to go to school for a minimum of 8 years or so to be called "doctors". There are boards to be passed and such. It is "rocket science" in a sense, unlike travel. Your article also insinuates that people NEED the TA like they need the doctor. That's just simply not true. Just like people don't NEED to go to a full service gas station. Again, I understand the use of the term "travel agent" but that term does not have a specific course or board exam to attain it and it's not the the MLM's fault. Comparing yourselve's to doctors and your service as needed as that of a doctor's is pretty far fetched.
Sorry, but YTB was not mentioned in that article at all. Please check your ego at the door. And since it was not published here, why not voice your opinion where it was published?
ReplyDeleteMarvin, YOU are the hoot! The majority of localities where a "home based business" is located, which is what ytb sells it self as, whether the individual is considered an independant contractor or not, require licensing! If it's a business, it must have a business license.
ReplyDeleteSo, if ytbers are only independant contractors, and don't have a home based business with a home based office, then they can't take any of the IRS deductions that are allowed for such! See that's one of the things ytb doesn't tell you. One of the things you have to have to qualify for the IRS deductions is that you be compliant with all federal, state, and local laws. If you don't have your business license, you don't have a home based business, and then you can't take all those IRS deductions that ytbers are always crowing about! Can't have it both ways, bud!
FireMedic can't voice his opinion on the TRO article where it was published. TRO is for true travel professionals, not wanna-bes, and since he is just a wanna-be, he has no access to the site other than the front page. I bet it just irks him to no end, too!
ReplyDeleteNo, Veronica JoeMargsWorth, it doesn't.
ReplyDeleteVeronica JoeMargsWorth, are you a tax professional too? Don't you think that the people that do our taxes know more than you? My tax lady audited auditors for the IRS and she knows EXACTLY what we can and cannot claim. When it comes to taxes YOU are the wannabe. Oh, and my locality does not require a business license for my home-based business and I and my wife have three.
ReplyDeleteWell my tax lady audited the auditors who audited the auditors. Are you in first or second grade fireman? And according to MANY CPAs most of the stuff YTB says you can deduct is not allowed. Of course that is only the opinion of someone that has been a CPA for more than 30 years. You see, YTB will be long gone before you get audited, so they can tell you whatever they like!
ReplyDeletePlease let us know the three businesses you and your wife have. This will be interesting.
FireMedic, you really should join a support group for conspiracy theorists, cause yours are just, to borrow a phrase from Marvin, a hoot!
ReplyDeleteAs far as being a "tax expert wanna-be", how do you know that I'm not? How do you know that during tax season I don't work for a tax service such as H & R Block or Jackson Hewitt? See, there are all kinds of things you DON'T know, and every time you open your mouth, it shows more and more.
I'm glad that you live in a locality that doesn't require a business license. Must be nice for you. If you will notice, I did not say that ALL locations require business licensing, I said that a MAJORITY do. Again, your lack of reading comphrehension shows through.
And since you bring it up, let me ask you this. If ytb is the end all, be all that you claim it is, why is it that you have to have it, 2 other home based businesses AND a full time job? If ytb is the end all, be all that you make it out to be, why aren't you making your fortune with just ytb? Are you one of the multitudes that aren't making anything, or only an extremely minimal amount of money with them?
Oh, and FireMedic, just a clue. It shows through in all of your writings just how much it really DOES bother you that you can't gain access to all of the forums for travel agents, otherwise why would you continue to frequent them, picking up little tid-bits here and there.
It is odd, however, that the article so similarly aligns with the YTB experience with a "Doctor Smith" named "Gale". Hmmm
ReplyDelete"It is odd, however, that the article so similarly aligns with the YTB experience with a "Doctor Smith" named "Gale". Hmmm"
ReplyDeleteDon't forget Konrad the paramedic. Oh, but he wasn't insinuating any certain company or people. Yeah right.
"As far as being a "tax expert wanna-be", how do you know that I'm not? How do you know that during tax season I don't work for a tax service such as H & R Block or Jackson Hewitt?"
ReplyDeleteBecause if you are....you are charging too much! You don't know near as much as you think by what you are posting. I refer you to a book called "It's Not How Much You Make, But How Much You Keep" by Ron Mueller. What you are saying and what he says are two different things and he is known as an expert with the documentation to back it up. You should read it. You might learn a thing or two.
"And since you bring it up, let me ask you this. If ytb is the end all, be all that you claim it is, why is it that you have to have it, 2 other home based businesses AND a full time job? If ytb is the end all, be all that you make it out to be, why aren't you making your fortune with just ytb? Are you one of the multitudes that aren't making anything, or only an extremely minimal amount of money with them?"
Just like I have pointed out before Veronica, you assume that everybody that starts a home-based business is in it to "make a fortune". That just simply is not the case. And on top of that I know no one (outside of lottery winners) that do make a fortune over night. It takes time just like any other business. I have never stated that YTB is the "end all and be all". Your words, not mine.
"Oh, and FireMedic, just a clue. It shows through in all of your writings just how much it really DOES bother you that you can't gain access to all of the forums for travel agents, otherwise why would you continue to frequent them, picking up little tid-bits here and there."
Funny how you state that I know nothing about you but you have me figured out. Not only are you a tax expert but a psychologist, attorney, mlm expert, doctor (or at least the equivalent per John's article), travel agent, linguistics expert, and religion expert. You pretty much know everything there Veronica JoeMargsWorth so I really don't know why I would have the audacity to even debate you. The reason I know about the articles is the same reason that John catches all the articles: I get alerts too. Like John says "technology really is a wonderful thing". I could care less about being part of TRO.
"Please let us know the three businesses you and your wife have. This will be interesting."
I will humor you John. My wife and I (mostly my wife since I work 24 hours at time) own a residential cleaning business with 3 employees. She has also sold Mary Kay for the past 15 years. Add YTB and it should add up for ya.
Wow, you guys are certainly a bit paranoid. If it makes you sleep better at night, the names come from two friends of mine spelled like they are in the column that I happened to see at a Ravens party a few weeks ago when it was written.
ReplyDeleteBut seriously, if you want to comment on the column, this is not the place. Go over to TRO and do it there!
Was just pointing it out John....not a problem for me.
ReplyDelete"It is odd, however, that the article so similarly aligns with the YTB experience with a "Doctor Smith" named "Gale". Hmmm"
ReplyDeleteDenyse, which side of the fence are you on? You wonder why you don't get any respect when you post this? Can't have it both ways honey.
Listen, don't always construe a comment as SUPPORT. That comment has NOTHING to do with a side of the fence AT ALL. I can talk about YTB until the cows come home, it doesn't mean a thing. I am where I am and I'm happy about it. YTB WAS my first experience in the travel industry so there is some gratitude there. Had it not been for YTB, I wouldn't have developed the love for travel that I have. There just was no way to develop that love because I was stuck in the health field. Geeezzz.
ReplyDeleteDenyse, there were and are plenty of hosts that would have developed the love for a newbie without having to go the YTB route had you done a teeny bit of research. Problem is people get addicted to the money the down line brings in and the lies and promises.
ReplyDeletefiremedic said... Funny how you state that I know nothing about you but you have me figured out. Not only are you a tax expert but a psychologist, attorney, mlm expert, doctor (or at least the equivalent per John's article), travel agent, linguistics expert, and religion expert.
ReplyDeleteWell, let's see. How do I just happen to know so much about so many different things? Easily enough answered........tax expert because it just so happens that I have in the past and continue to work seasonally for a tax preparation company; psychologist because I am a former educator, and to get a degree in education one must take multiple courses in psychology and to maintain my teaching license, I must take continuing education courses in psychology, as well as having a family member who is a practicing clinical psychologist; attorney because the very first job I ever had in life was during high school, where I worked in the clerk of courts office, and absorbed much and became friends, and maintain friendships, with many attorneys from whom I get advice, and again having family members who are practicing members of the bar; mlm expert because I do massive amounts of research, and have spoken with people that have been caught up in that world; medical, because with my medical history, I again do massive amounts of research and ask multitudes of questions to both my medical providers but family members who are in the profession; travel agent because I was the valedictorian of my graduation class from travel school, and have been in the industry for 17 years; linguistics because I have a Masters Degree in English and American Literature, and a minor in secondary education, am bilingual (close to being trilingual, but my Spanish is not as fluent as I would like it to be), and was a high school teacher for many years. I left when my health prevented me from giving to my students the time and devotion they deserved.
I have never spoken much to religion, though I do have a good understanding of the subject. I am an active member of the same church that I have been a member of since 1963. I have outlasted 4 different priests at this church, my family are charter members of the parish, have served on the vestry on several different occasions, have several friends that are members of the clergy, etc. I am also not closed minded when it comes to faiths other than my own.
So, you see, FireMedic, when I do speak on a subject it's because I DO have knowledge, either direct, personal knowledge or from probing the minds of those who do have direct personal knowledge. So, FireMedic, to paraphrase Mr. Cushman, be careful what you say (especially about another person), because it might come back and bite you in the ass some day!
A real Travel Pro said:
ReplyDelete"And, how do you know what commission split she is getting from the cruise lines? That information is not for public consumption. I am sending your post to all the cruise lines for them to see how YTB is violating their contracts with them and posting confidential information."
John is the one who published YTB's commission list without copyright permission.
And all of you are ignorant thinking that tax deductions are not available to independent agents who work from home unless they have a business license.
Travel PRO... send this to the CRUISE lines...
ReplyDeletehttp://notravelmlms.blogspot.com/2009/01/revised-ytb-commissions-from-all.html
Melvin, you're a HOOT I tell ya, a real HOOT! Your ignorance of fair use and tax law will serve you well someday.................NOT!
ReplyDeleteAinsworth(LESS) hehe
ReplyDeleteMelvin Palmer said...
ReplyDeleteAinsworth(LESS) hehe
Jan 25, 2009 7:35:00 PM
OMG, I am SOOOOO (not) crushed by this!
What, are you 12?
A Real Travel Pro said...
ReplyDeleteDenyse, there were and are plenty of hosts that would have developed the love for a newbie without having to go the YTB route had you done a teeny bit of research. Problem is people get addicted to the money the down line brings in and the lies and promises.
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ARTP, yes there are, however, you must remember it wasn't my intention to get into this industry, let alone to do research. This opportunity was presented to ME. It was then that I developed that love. I DID NOT get into YTB because I already had that love.