I wonder who could be the MAJOR supplier?
I wonder who could be the MAJOR MLM or Card Mill travel agency?
Stay tuned. Story is developing!
Friday, December 12, 2008
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I wonder who could be the MAJOR supplier?
I wonder who could be the MAJOR MLM or Card Mill travel agency?
Stay tuned. Story is developing!
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MAJOR supplier...
ReplyDeleteMAJOR MLM/CARD MILL...
Got me STUMPED!
Could be ANY # of Suppliers....
Could be a # of Agencies...
Expect YTB,
Because we KNOW they are NOT a CARD MILL!
They are MLM, but not a CARD MILL.
You got me STUMPED on this one JOHN...
If you hadn't given the CLUE with CARD MILL,
I would have GUESSED YTB, since this WEBSITE is representative of your ANGER and HATE for the FEW HANDFUL who have in YOUR OPINION, RUINED YTB's image by claiming outrageous SUCCESS stories. We know the TRUE PURPOSE of THIS SITE is to PUBLICLY HUMILIATE and CALL those HANDFUL of RENEGADES OUT and attempt to make it APPEAR as though these ACTIONS are COMMON throughout YTB...
You have REALLY STUMPED me this time.
I love the Freudian slip from Anon....."EXPECT YTB"
ReplyDeleteBut I get the gist of what you are attempting to say. But I (as well as many others) consider YTB a card mill as well, so I would not put them out of the running by a long shot. Didn't RCCL dub them a Card Mill? Did not IATAN toss them for reselling the ID number on their own cards? Doesn't YTB still issue cards to members that complete First Class (formerly CRTA) training?
Seems like an awful lot of card talk going on there to NOT classify them as a card mill!
It comes as no surprise that the vendors are shying away. Given the bancruptcy rumor they hardly want another fiasco like they had with Joystar earlier this year.
ReplyDeleteCard Mill It Is.
ReplyDeleteKeep us posted John.
There are currently 2 ways to apply for a YTB ID CARD.
ReplyDelete1) book $1500 in Sales from your YTB Travel Website.
2) Complete First Class Training.
We all know the CARD is Worthless for discounts.
But The CLIA card is worth some credibility.
I know you talk about the loopholes in CLIA, but still there are several RTA's who are actively enrolled in the NEW CLIA ACCREDIATION Program.
Do you really think the REPS who signed up to get RICH QUICK can figure out how to exploit these loopholes. You are giving them too much CREDIT. Why would they go to the trouble of attending classes and Ship Inspections, and Booking Cruises and the other EXPENSES incurred by the Accreditation Requirements if ALL they wanted to do was scam people out of money to recruit 1 more victim.
When the new CLIA Requirements was announced, it was said that this would separate the real agents from the wannabes.
Now you POO POO CLIA and basically refer to them as a CARD MILL because of their association with YTB.
Wait... is CLIA considered a MAJOR SUPPLIER?
Or are you considering CLIA a CARD MILL?
The RIDDLE Continues....
Honestly, I do consider CLIA "sort of" a card mill.
ReplyDeleteThe YTB card is indeed worthless for the discounts, but the program is not sold that way at all.
The CLIA card does add some credibility, and I think that your use of the word "several" as you refer to how many RTAs are participating in the new requirements is probably accurate. Not a good showing when there are 138,000 RTAs.
The Reps are shrewd and smart. They are of course taking advantage of the loophole. Their bread and butter comes from recruiting and selling another sucker into the program, but if they can get a perk out of it, why not. If a Rep sells 6 RTAs, his site is free. If he never sells one ounce of travel, all he is out is $500. Now toss in another $300 to be an "owner" with CLIA and voila, he has perks. All without selling any travel--or having any intent to sell travel. And do not fool yourself, the Reps are doing this! They are also "selling" this as a way to get the perks. I know you want to travel like an insider but don;t really want to sell anything, so here's how you do it if you sign up under me....
And CLIA is not a supplier in my book. I have my guesses (and wishes) but we will have to see how it all pans out.
Question.....
ReplyDeleteAt first the CRTA training was like $150 and if you refer 3 people to the training...you get refunded your money back.
NOW...there is no refund???
Is this true?
Coach tryna save up huh?
*An EX-YTBer*
So which is it?
ReplyDeleteSo many REPS exploiting the loopholes that the INDUSTRY cant handle it or
Too FEW REPS doing business this way that YTB in your opinion is going bellyup?
Seems like alotta work for a scammer to make a profit... keeping 6 signed up at all times...
and then each of those 6 having to have 6... A LOT of WORK involved to be considered a SCAM...
I'm guessing TI because of the YTB RTA who did not service his booking recently..... TI is owned by Amex and they're simply not going to put up with having to cover for these RTAs....
ReplyDelete"Why would they go to the trouble of attending classes and Ship Inspections, and Booking Cruises and the other EXPENSES incurred by the Accreditation Requirements if ALL they wanted to do was scam people out of money to recruit 1 more victim."
ReplyDeleteIf they are serious about selling travel WHY would they stay with a company that everyone in the industry hates and has 0 credibility? There are plenty of hosts out there. Why stay with them? Because silly it's the down line and the chance to make a buck off of it.
How many YTB RTAs have completed either the CLIA ACC or MCC? I'm willing to bet it is less than 2% of total RTAs....
ReplyDeleteReal CTA in MD
Now that deserves 2 HOOTS and a HOLLAR!
ReplyDeleteReal CTA--I bet less than 100 RTAs have achieved the ACC or MCC designation. And I bet that of the "upwards of 112,000" RTAs that their president thinks they have...1/2% might be enrolled. If they had 1000 (slightly less than 1%) enrolled, I would be surprised.
ReplyDeleteAnd don't forget, if you are looking for the perks, there is the loophole. It is far cheaper to become an "agency" and credential yourself as the owner than to be bothered with the cost of the training, the c
Tell me more about this loophole so that I can credential myself and become my own agency.
ReplyDeleteI did not know this was possible.
If I become own agency, then can I get my own ARC and IATA # right...?
That's a heckofa loophole. Become your own agency and bypass YTB altogether.
Where can I find more info on this loophole?
I don't know about the hoots, but that definitely worth HOLLARING about. I can be in business for myself without having to pay YTB...
WOW! More info on the loophole please...
The loophole was explaind by Jon in a prior post. And CLIA does not get you ARC or IATA. But for $399 you can get all the credentials 4 people can need
ReplyDeleteCool Beans! So now YTB RTA's can get the same PERKS the TTA's have been getting all these years without having to do the all the EXPENSIVE Training... Thanks for showing us that John... YTB LOVES JOHN!
ReplyDeleteI gotta sign up and get mine today... The heck with TRAINING... I always wondered how the TTA did this all these years...
Thanks again, YTB LOVES JOHN!
You know what anonymous you know nothing about the travel industry. The perks are few and far between and are earned based on SALES!!!
ReplyDeleteThey just don't give them to you because you pay CLIA to join.
Don't look like much of a LOOPHOLE to me.
ReplyDeleteAccording to CLIA's website and application form:
"CLIA Agency membership qualifies the agency to apply for a management allotment up to 4 CLIA ID cards at the preferred rate of $29. To apply,
include the Agency membership ID card promo codes provided in your online confirmation (for online membership processing) and included in
your membership kit. Annual ID card training requirements apply."
$29 per card after $400 to JOIN and then TRAINING REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
That SUX! I thought you said this LOOPHOLE would get me PERKS without having to take TRAINING.
Some LOOPHOLE! Thanks FOR NOTHING John!
The can have the perks one gets with a CLIA card which pales in comparison to what one gets with IATAN.
ReplyDeleteIt's not so easy to qualify as an ARC appointed Agency - just try going through the financials...
"You know what anonymous you know nothing about the travel industry. The perks are few and far between and are earned based on SALES!!!"
ReplyDeleteThen what is the HOOPLA over YTB if they can't get the PERKS even after BUYING their own CLIA CARD?
What are you all SCARED OF?
According you this website, YTB is keeping the WHOLE ECONOMY up and running with ALL THE MONEY THEY ARE SPENDING to keep from having to do TRAINING and SALES.
Think how bad the MARKET would ACTUALLY be is RTA's were not buying their Credentials left and right to avoid training.
Your theories have alot of holes in them...
I have to go book some cruises so I can get my CLIA accreditation the honest way.
Good Day to everyone.
What is up with THAT?
ReplyDelete"Annual ID card training requirements apply."
That would mean enrollment in the ACC program.
Where is the LOOPHOLE?
I thought a LOOPHOLE granted you access to benefits.
Sounds like your BLOWING SMOKE!
There is not a LOOPHOLE.
Read on MacDuff...it says that an agency is allotted up to 4 cards that are exempt from the training requirements to be used for "owners" and "managers" that are not actively involved in the sale of travel.
ReplyDeleteNow why not get back to point about the supplier that is dropping YTB. Seems YTB is deflecting this an awful lot. Must be some truth in there.
"Then what is the HOOPLA over YTB if they can't get the PERKS even after BUYING their own CLIA CARD?"
ReplyDeleteBecause none of you deserve to be in the travel industry that's why.
You can't buy your way in.
HAHA Yes they can and they have and they continue to do so. THAT is the probelm
ReplyDeleteWell if this is a sample of the cream of the crop in ytb and you can't figure this out without exact instructions.
ReplyDeleteAgents have nothing to worry about.
"HAHA Yes they can and they have and they continue to do so. THAT is the probelm"
ReplyDeleteThe suppliers are finally waking up to the fact that they are basically rebating to you and you are far more trouble than you are worth. And, the majority of you could not book travel out of a paper bag. Or where to find it.
With the stock currently at 21 cents a share, I don't think the YTBers or YTB could afford a paper bag!
ReplyDeleteWhile were on the subject of terminations…we wanted to thank John Frenaye for terminating the forward to here from thefactsaboutytb.NET. We are pleased that John realized that he was in violation of Copyright and Trademark Laws and felt it best to voluntarily remove the forward rather than face fines and penalties.
ReplyDeleteAfter yesterday’s porn episode posted by PIOTB, it could not have come at a better time.
Regards
YTB Legal
No trademark or copyright violations from owning a domain. But you are correct, the redirection was changed from this blog to a different site.
ReplyDeleteIf YTB would like to purchase the domain, we can talk!
You are wrong John. The YTB name is a trademark being that YTB is a publically traded company. I wouldn't say you are out of the woods yet.
ReplyDeleteOn a further note, it was just anounced that the major supplier terminating the relationship with YTB is Perillo Tours.
Actually, YTB can simply take the domain John. It's a copyright infringement, and you DO know that.
ReplyDeleteBut as long as the domain is not used to harm YTB in any way, you should be fine.
Again, thanks.
Direct it back again John! I would love to see YTB take it!
ReplyDeleteWOW YTB copyrighted the alphabet? Who knew. Maybe the millions of others that use the three initials ought to me made aware.
ReplyDeleteThe URL did not say anything about Your Travel Business
Anonymous said...."On a further note, it was just anounced that the major supplier terminating the relationship with YTB is Perillo Tours."
ReplyDeleteNo, Perillo dumped YTB around the same time as did RCCL.
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure it's not the company I work for. I'm keeping my fingers crossed though.
"On a further note, it was just anounced that the major supplier terminating the relationship with YTB is Perillo Tours."
ReplyDeleteOh that is funny!!! Perillo dumped YTB a LONGGGG time ago. It was in all the trades. You people really are clueless about the travel industry. That's why you shouldn't be in it.
"I wouldn't say you are out of the woods yet."
ReplyDeleteI think YTB has bigger fish to fry than John. Like the CA AG. LOL!
Funny how they blamed PIOTB for the porn incident when he wasn't even home at the time. Assuming I guess. As for copyright infringment for a url...i dont see the companys full name in it, and YTB is used by many companys so i dont know about that one.
ReplyDelete"Oh that is funny!!! Perillo dumped YTB a LONGGGG time ago. It was in all the trades. You people really are clueless about the travel industry. That's why you shouldn't be in it."
ReplyDeletespeaking of clueless.....it's called SARCASM dumbass! And YTB never had a relationship in the first place.
I guess a person can't log in from another computer and...
ReplyDeleteneva mind.
Hartley Bay airport has been YTB longer than YTB has been....
ReplyDelete"speaking of clueless.....it's called SARCASM dumbass! And YTB never had a relationship in the first place."
ReplyDeleteOhhhh! And, when you can't have your way you resort to name calling and potty mouth name calling at that. How un-Christianlike! After all you use God in recruiting and then you use potty mouth language. Tsk. Tsk.
As to Perillo, they used Perillo and they kicked your sorry butts to the curb because YTB was basically booking them for their own travel. Same stuff they do with all the vendors. Perillo got tired of it. Again, if you READ the trades you would know this. Maybe you need hooked on phonics since you have reading comprehension issues....
YTB cannot afford to sue anyone.
ReplyDeleteYTB is not trademarked, it is registered - you will note that they never use the trademark symbol on any of their sites, just the registered symbol.
ReplyDeleteThen there is the Yorkshire Tourist Board (YTB) longer than YTB too.
ReplyDelete"YTB cannot afford to sue anyone."
ReplyDeleteYou got that right Eddie. I am surprised there isn't a mass exodus of employees at HQ about now. I guess in lil ole Wood River there aren't too many jobs so they hang on thinking their Savior, Coach will save them. LOL!
GOD you people are CLUELESS!
ReplyDeleteJohn just got his ASS handed to him and here are any number of links as to why...
http://www.icann.org/en/dndr/udrp/policy.htm
http://www.icann.org/en/udrp/proceedings-list.htm (A list of domains that have been disputed.)
http://domains.adrforum.com/main.aspx?itemID=276&hideBar=False&navID=202&news=26
http://www.webdomains2.com/copyright-infringement.asp
http://www.website.com/beginnerguide/registeringdomain/4/8/Domain-Name-Registration-and-Copyright-Infringement.ws
http://wheretoregistersites.com/copyright.htm
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/udrp/opinion/
And we took up a collection for $350 to sue John's sorry ass.
November 2007
ReplyDeletePERILLO TOURS no longer is accepting bookings from agents affiliated with YTB Travel Network, a multilevel marketing travel agency. Steve Perillo, president of Perillo Tours, said that when he read a few weeks ago that Royal Caribbean was weeding out "card mills" and that YTB was on the list, he decided to have a look at YTB bookings for his firm. He said he found that "90% of the travelers and booking agents were the same person." He said Perillo Tours might take similar steps regarding similar companies. Meanwhile, IATA said it canceled accreditation of four U.S. travel agencies for violating accreditation standards forbidding the "improper lending, subcontracting or hiring to a third party of an IATA numeric code by agencies." It is apparent that agencies in the card mill/multilevel marketing categories are among the targets, but IATA declined to name the canceled companies.
"And we took up a collection for $350 to sue John's sorry ass."
ReplyDelete$350 isn't going to get you very far in attorney's fees.You people don't even know what an attorney will cost you. Mow, who is clueless.
If I were you I would save your $350. You are going to need it when YTB's house of cards comes tumbling down.
Anonymous said...."And we took up a collection for $350 to sue John's sorry ass."
ReplyDeleteI would assume you're from YTB Legal then? We all know that they need every penny they can get. I'm sure that $350 is going to go really far in any lawsuit. Even Judge Judy wouldn't give you the time of day for $350, moron! You YTBers are a hoot, that's what you are, a hoot.
This is a HOOT! That's what is, A Real HOOT!
ReplyDeleteYou Guys Crack me up!
YOU GUYS ARE HOOTS!
THat's what you are, REAL HOOTS!
Keep up the Good WORK, you HOOTS!
We're HOOTIN and HOLLARING on the BLOG!
HAve a HOOTIN Good Evening everyone!
"John just got his ASS handed to him and here are any number of links as to why..."
ReplyDeleteIf you actually read any of those documents, especially "http://www.icann.org/en/udrp/proceedings-list.htm " you would know that there are plenty of cases that get dismissed or found in favor of the Respondent, which would be John in this case. So to say he has had his ass heanded to him is just a wee bit premature.
$350=1/2 hour of billable time.
ReplyDeleteAn attorney who knows.
Attorney who does NOT know.....
ReplyDeleteAccording to recent article in the National Law Journal, last year, 119 of the nation's 300 largest law firms provided billing rate information for the NLJ's annual survey. Among firms reporting average and median rates in both 2006 and 2007, average firmwide billing rates increased from $321 to $348 per hour last year, with the median rate jumping from $324 to $347 per hour.
Hey anonymous above that is AVERAGE and MEDIAN. Call up a couple of big city law firms you moron and ask them what they bill. You have no damn clue. I have been reading all of your posts and you are ignorant of the facts.
ReplyDeleteAn Attorney who bills more than the median rate.
$350.00 with a high powered law firm won't even get you a key to the bathroom you ahole YTBers.
ReplyDeleteLong time reader. First time poster.
ReplyDeleteI don't believe for one second that hiring a member of the BOD is the best hire that these guys could make. It's just another incestuous move on the part of the company.
"Hey anonymous above that is AVERAGE and MEDIAN. Call up a couple of big city law firms you moron and ask them what they bill. You have no damn clue. I have been reading all of your posts and you are ignorant of the facts."
ReplyDeleteDon't know why YTB would need a big city lawyer when they now have one that works in house. And I am willing to guess he won't have one bit of a problem kicking John's butt. Guess we will have to see! This could be fun. John can't even pay his bills now let alone defend himself for trademark infringement, slander, etc. And yes YTB is registered. John, please redirect your domain back to here!!!!!
http://www.website.com/beginnerguide/registeringdomain/4/8/Domain-Name-Registration-and-Copyright-Infringement.ws
ReplyDeleteThat seems pretty clear cut.
YTB is about ready to file Ch. 7 and high tail it. Wishful thinking anonymous they are going after John....
ReplyDelete"YTB is about ready to file Ch. 7 and high tail it. Wishful thinking anonymous they are going after John...."
ReplyDeleteAin't going to happen. They have no money....Besides John took the questionable stuff down. They don't have a leg to stand on. Keep dreaming and smoking that crack you are on. You are one delusional puppy....