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John, you've touted in the past the "suppliers" are monitoring this blog. How do you know this? Now, don't give me the "Who Are You" vote in your blog reveals the answer, cuz it don't. Anyone can indicate they are a "supplier" and there is no way to check this out for accuracy. And, why is it that none of the so called "suppliers" are not commenting on your blog? The only comment I've ever seen is from some guy who apparently is a bottom rung order taker. How are you going to spin this one?
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Actually, Andrew is a tour operator/consolidator that YTB actually uses. Such respect for your peers in the industry there OLE.
ReplyDeleteYou can see the various networks that log in. AOL can be anyone, but when you see carnival.com you can make the assumption that it is a supplier--or someone logging in via a supplier's network.
ReplyDeleteThe survey could be anyone. You can click what you like and there is no verification.
Bottom rung order taker?
ReplyDeleteYou have no clue who I am or what company I work for.
Typical YTB way to try and spin something. If someone is more knowledgeable than you, insult them.
I would be happy to tell John who I work for. To be honest, olescorekeeper, since you cannot remain professional, I simply don't want you to know.
If Andrew is a tour operator or consolidator, we are glad to listen to him. But to defend Ole, how to you know for certain on an internet blog?
ReplyDeleteI am a Director with YTB. I have not chosen as Doug has to reveal my identity. Doug also markets his business on the internet and it works well for him.
I had someone ficticiously use the name lbtravel yesterday and post something. It was not from me.
If a supplier does indeed post on this blog, I'm all for it. Just realize there is a certain cynicism that goes along with this blog to being with. When you have JF doing everything he can do to discredit your career, you tend to have your back up from time to time.
I don't think Ole has any respect for any suppliers, maybe no one at YTB does, unless of course they want a discount or a fam.
ReplyDeleteYes you don't know who's who on the blog, however, why would you call someone a bottom rung order taker for no reason anyway? Its disrespectul, and I don't think I've seen Andrew say anything truly negative or harse either direction. Uncalled for...I think so.
ReplyDeleteJohn said..."You can see the various networks that log in. AOL can be anyone, but when you see carnival.com you can make the assumption that it is a supplier--or someone logging in via a supplier's network."
ReplyDeleteYou still didn't answer my question, "And, why is it that none of the so called "suppliers" are not commenting on your blog?" Any ideas?
olescorekeepr
perhaps they are, as anonymous...
ReplyDeleteI choose not to reveal who I am because I have seen here that at least one person posting here was being harrassed by other posters - no thank you.
TravelLisa said..."Actually, Andrew is a tour operator/consolidator that YTB actually uses."
ReplyDeleteWhat do you have TL to back up your statement? If Andrew is a "tour operator/consolidator that YTB uses" I'm sure he would be proud to state the name of his business.
Andrew said...
"Bottom rung order taker?"
Did I say it was you Andrew? Hummm...I didn't have a clue your head would pop-up out of the cellar when I used the phrase "bottom rung order taker". Interesting.
"You have no clue who I am or what company I work for."
True..but who's asking?
"Typical YTB way to try and spin something. If someone is more knowledgeable than you, insult them."
Taker easy there Andrew. Not trying to spin or insult. I merely asked John why it is that none of the so called "suppliers" are commenting on his blog expect for a "bottom runger", then low and behold, you show up insinuating I insulted you. I don't even know who you are or what you do for a living
"I would be happy to tell John who I work for. To be honest, olescorekeeper, since you cannot remain professional, I simply don't want you to know."
That works for me.
TravelLisa said...
"Yes you don't know who's who on the blog, however, why would you call someone a bottom rung order taker for no reason anyway?"
Oh, but there is good reason TL. A bottom rung order taker doesn't usually speak in any official capacity for his company.
I suspect most "suppliers" "monitoring" this blog are lower echelon employees. I'm sure John thinks otherwise.
"Its disrespectful, and I don't think I've seen Andrew say anything truly negative or harse either direction. Uncalled for...I think so."
Travellisa, I don't even know who Andrew is. Also, was it not you, or one of your TTA associates on this blog, that said Carnival was a "bottom feeder cruise line"? Is that not somewhat disrectful?
olescorekeeper
Your right Ole, you don't know Andrew or in what capacity he is with his company. For all you know he is the owner. From what I see he's the only supplier to openly admit as such..if it wasn't him you were referring who was it? Do I have evidence to back up who he is..yeah I do, I've worked with his company, am I giving it to you..no, thats his decision not mine. Yes it probably was me who said that about "the cruise line" itself..not one person in particular. My opinion to not like Carnival, and I have my reasons...but I've never said anything about any specific person. Nor do I think anyone who actually works for a living behind a desk earning an honest days pay instead of pimping out friends and family to sell websites is a "bottom rung order taker".
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ReplyDeleteOh come off it... you were referring to me because I am one of the few suppliers that comments on here.
I have let John know where I work.
Even if I were a "bottom rung order taker" I would still ACUTALLY be selling travel. What a concept!
TravelLisa said...
ReplyDelete"Your right Ole, you don't know Andrew or in what capacity he is with his company. For all you know he is the owner. From what I see he's the only supplier to openly admit as such.."
What?..that he IS the owner? Sorry, I must have missed that memo.
"if it wasn't him you were referring who was it?"
I don't recall who it was since it was some time ago. Like I said, I don't know who Andrew is.
"Do I have evidence to back up who he is..yeah I do, I've worked with his company, am I giving it to you..no, that's his decision not mine."
So if you know him, at least he or you can say what "rung" he is on in "his company". That's pretty easy and not too revealing, don't you think?
"Yes it probably was me who said that (bottom feeder cruise line) about "the cruise line" itself..not one person in particular. My opinion to not like Carnival, and I have my reasons...but I've never said anything about any specific person."
You've "never said anything about any specific person"? Well, TreavLisa, you just insulted the thousands of personnel who work for that "bottom feeder" Carnival Cruise Line. For that you should be ashamed of yourself. They are nice people like you just trying to make a living.
olescorekeeper
Olescorekeeper -
ReplyDeleteDoes it matter what "rung" I am on?
Would my opinion or experience matter less or more if I were higher or lower in my company?
Are you some sort of elitist?
I sell travel... all day... and very well.
Andrew has previously posted that he works for a supplier that is currently working with YTB. He is the only poster who has identified himself as such.
ReplyDeleteGee, maybe all the pro-YTB people here are actually the same person or the same two people? Who knows? It's true that you can hide in cyberspace to some degree ....
No actually, I'm quite sure the people that work at Carnival are nice. The few I've spoken to have been. Its the ships themselves I'm not fond of. :P
ReplyDeleteA fumble with a nice recovery.
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John, could we add one more to the list? It might help you out with the low number's count on the survey.
ReplyDeleteWho Are You?
*Traditional Travel Agent
*MLM Travel Agent
*Supplier
*Association
*An Interested Party
*YTB Paycation Expert
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olescorekeeper
"You have no clue who I am or what company I work for."
ReplyDeleteFirst this---True..but who's asking?
Then this---So if you know him, at least he or you can say what "rung" he is on in "his company".
"Sorry, I must have missed that memo."
"I don't recall who it was..."
Just how "ole" is Ole?...