Would you like to get paid on a new wireless service? How many people do you know who use wireless service?
A huge wireless company is using MLM to distribute their product and I am one of the first jumping on the opportunity. This is a no brainer because the world is WIRELESS! Young, middle-aged and seasoned are replacing their home phones with a cell phones. Statistics show that the average person uses over 800 minutes per month! Now you can earn residual income on your own bill and those of your clients!
All of my travel professional colleagues who are jetsetting around definitely need their cell phones to maintain their travel business. Join me in this new opportunity and earn income on those cell phones.
You can earn $10,000 a month or more with this fantastic opportunity. The site is launching on the 29th of this month but you can pre enroll today for FREE!
Check out my site and see this amazing opportunity for yourself! WHO DO YOU KNOW WHO USES A CELL PHONE? Get paid on their wireless service.
This is Freedom 2 Talk!
Does the pitch sound at all familiar? What happens if we replace "cell" and "wireless" with oh say the word "travel".....
Would you like to get paid on a travel? How many people do you know who travel?
A huge travel company is using MLM to distribute their product and I am one of the first jumping on the opportunity. This is a no brainer because the world is traveling! Young, middle-aged and seasoned are traveling. Statistics show that the average person travels! Now you can earn residual income on your own travel and that of your clients!
All of my professional colleagues who are jetsetting around definitely need to travel. Join me in this new opportunity and earn income on those travels.
You can earn $10,000 a month or more with this fantastic opportunity. The site is launching on the 29th of this month but you can pre enroll today for FREE!
Check out my site and see this amazing opportunity for yourself! WHO DO YOU KNOW WHO TRAVELS? Get paid on their travel.
This is YTB!
So, if YTB is as good as everyone wants the world to believe, why the switch? If you are providing the customer service you want the world to think you are, are you letting your "clients" know that you are now concentrating on selling cell phone plans? This is further support that most of the people in YTB (and MLM in general) are not making any money, are opportunistic, and looking to get rich quick--off of other people's money and efforts with none invested of their own. Take a hard look at the picture of cash...that is about as close as you will come!
Your collective mommas are probably pretty proud right about now!
$10.000 a month eh? Gee. Who wouldn't want that. And why not start your day out by committing fraud? Here's what the FTC had to say about this wonderful opportunity.
ReplyDelete"What the ads don't say is that the people behind these so-called business opportunities aren't really interested in helping you run a successful business: They're interested only in getting your money. To get you to buy in, they may mislead you about the business opportunity's earnings potential and promote a "phantom" opportunity that has little chance of succeeding -
While fraudulent business opportunities prey on consumers, they also harm legitimate businesses."
And this is why YTB and others cost less than $500.
"Get earnings claims in writing. If the business opportunity costs $500 or more, then the promoter must back up the earnings claim in a written document. It should include the earnings claim, as well as the number and percentage of recent clients who have earned at least as much as the promoter suggested. If it's a work-at-home or other business opportunity that involves an investment of under $500, ask the promoter to put the earnings information in writing."
The FTC already has a comment about an opportunity that hasn't launched yet? Wow, I thought gov't worked slowly.
ReplyDeleteI did a search on the FTC's site and found nothing about the "Freedom 2 talk" opportunity. Where did you get that quote Kate?
Well Kate, I found it on the FTC site and no suprise you mislead in your comment again. It has nothing to do with that company or ANY specific company for that matter. It talks about how to avoid fraudulent business opportunity and YOU ASSUME that this is one of them. That is the main problem here. The FTC doesn't think they are fraudulent. There are fraudulent companies out there. But, your paragraph is from this link...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/invest/inv02.shtm
This line is also in that link...
Take your time. Promoters of fraudulent business opportunities are likely to use high-pressure sales tactics to get you to buy in. If the business opportunity is legitimate, it'll still be around when you're ready to decide.
So, YTB has been around since 2001. Seems like a long time to me.
Josh I never said that it pertained only to that company. You assumed it.
ReplyDeleteThe reason that all these fantastic million dollar opportunities go for under $495 is because they are trying to avoid scrutiny by the FTC. If these businesses really are so wonderful, then why not create a legitimate opportunity and comply with the FTC's biz opp rules? Ever ask yourself that question??
Kate, I didn't assume anything. You flat out said it. Go back and read your comment. I will save you the time..."Here's what the FTC had to say about THIS wonderful opportunity."
ReplyDeleteNo assumption on my end.
With respect to your second point. I have no problem with a company making an opportunity affordable. SO, they, BY LAW, don't have to comply with rules set for other things. My father is a CPA and when he does business he doesn't have to comply with the standards set by the American Medical Association. get it?
But, with that said, since you are so concernded about it, the franchise opportunity should eliminate that as franchise rules are fairly strict and specific and would HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED>
But, while I am on the franchise topic...I have read some of your other comments regarding it and you are incorrect about territory. Territories are established by the parent company in most cases and online franchises do not typically need to have territory boundaries. I can think of several online travel franchises in the cruise industry that do not have territory rules.
SO, they, BY LAW, don't have to comply with rules set for other things. My father is a CPA and when he does business he doesn't have to comply with the standards set by the American Medical Association. get it?
ReplyDeleteThat doesn't make an ounce of sense.
Why does it only have to revolve around the cruise industry obly
ReplyDeleteName a few that actually sell travel other than cruises Josh.
Kate,
ReplyDeleteI will type slowly so you can understand....
They DONT HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE BIZ OPP LAWS BECAUSE THEY DONT FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY.
The CPA comment was an example to make a point that just because something is a rule doesn't mean it has to be followed if the rule has nothing to do with the subject that would otherwise follow a rule. But, I notice you didn't address the other comment.
Scam,
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't have to revolve around the cruise industry. I just have personal knowledge of a few of those. But, here are some others since you gave me an assignment
mydestinationinfo.com price tag 20k
Certified travel services price tag 5k
And dozens in the UK
The dozens in the UK have nothing to do with this conversation. You said you knew several. As YTB is based in the US, they must abide by US law, not UK law. So once again name some more than two.
ReplyDeletemydestinationinfo.com not based in the US.
ReplyDeleteJosh,
ReplyDeleteOh I get it. Since YTB isn't a real business, it shouldn't have to comply with any business laws. A pyramid scheme and a business opportunity are not the same thing. Now I get it. Thanks for clearing that up for us.
Scam,
ReplyDeleteI said I could think of several in the cruise industry. You gave me the assignment to provide info outside of cruises.
Kate, lets remember a few things....Business OPPORTUNITY RULES and BUSINESS LAWS are different. That is the point. And you just made it.
scam,
ReplyDeletemydestinationinfo.com is not based in the US but is available for purchase and operation in the US.
Josh-What kind of education do you have? I got Kate's comments. No wonder America can't compete on the world stage if it's churning out people like you who have zero reading comprehension skills.
ReplyDeleteYTB skirts around the laws because they charge less than $500. If they charged more than that they would have to actually submit real earning claims, documentation, financial records instead of this half baked, made up, obscure crap they give out.
My reading comp????
ReplyDeleteAre you for real?
Kate said "THIS WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY"
And you understood that to mean something non-specific?
Ok Miss kitty. And by the way, they do submit all that stuff not because of the FTC but the SEC since it is a publibly traded company. Accurate financial reporting is essential to maintain market status. Now OTC by the way due to 8 straight quarters of accurate reporting.
So, judging by your logic does AVON or Mary Kay skirt the laws? How about tupperware? Herbalife? Pampered Chef? Ever have one of those little spatula parties in your home?
Did you skirt the law? All those opportunities are under 500. Do they do that just to skirt the law? Or just maybe, maybe to make it affordable to an average person?
I am Proud to be an American with more than adequate comprehension skills. Again, sip your tea and slow down go back and re-read Kate's comment.
Have a nice day.
Josh -
ReplyDeleteIt is truly a challenge to communicate with mental giants like Kate.
It is obvious what she said and you called her on it.
No wonder JF does not let her post her rambling diatribes anymore.
She is obsessed with YTB.
Thinks about YTB morning, noon and night.
A majority of what she posts concerning YTB is emotional blather.
But she does have all of the anti-YTB buzz-phrases down pat.
Her business must be a bit slow for her to spend all of her time on this blog.
She depends on the next phone call to make a living.
We enjoy that wonderful thing called leverage.
Have you ever heard the girls from the MAC counter talking smack about an Avon lady? No? You know why? Because the Avon people get TRAINING and don't embarass the cosmetics industry by claiming to be something they are not. The Tupperware people get TRAINING, and so you don't see anyone from Gladware running around worrying about them. Again, they know their product, can serve their customers, and peacefully coexist within the industry. However, YTB "travel agents" undergo no manditory travel training, have done nothing to enhance the industry, act like idiots on cruise ships and at conventions, and have brought nothing but embarassment to this industry.
ReplyDeleteAnd by the way, the submissions to the SEC only contain financial info about stuff that has already occured. They aren't going to the SEC and telling them that they can earn $10,000 per week. When the lobbiests tried to lower the biz op rule to $100 bucks, YTB and the DSA fought like hell to stop it because they don't want to have to curtail their " you can make $10,000 per week" recruiting message!
Well, after reading the aforementioned website, and the comments here, here is MY humble opinion of both Dynese (or however the hell you spell her name) and Josh.......
ReplyDeleteBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, ya'll is some stupid ass people to fall for this crap over and over. 99.9% of MLM's are scams, yet you continue to fall for it. You jump from one to the other, and never learn. One thing that I can count on ya'll for, and that is my morning laugh with my coffee, and for that I will say thanks. But just remember, I'm not laughing with you, but at you!
Kate....do you really know what you are talking about? AVON requires no training. They offer it, but it isn't required. Mary Kay, the same. I can tell you for certain that Tupperware doesn't either. A close friend is a Tupperware regional sales person and he has had some training but none for people getting in if they don't want it.
ReplyDeleteI agree wholeheartedly that the flase claims that some PEOPLE make, not YTB, but some people, dont' help the travel or networking industry. But, those people are taken care of.
When someone joins as a REP and/or RTA the terms clearly state you have to have everything approved by YTB legal or possibily get terminated.
YTB does curtail those messages/
But, nice again you didn't address your error. AGAIN>
Ainsworth,
ReplyDeleteLaugh all you want. YTB is the first MLM I have been involved in. I have made what I wanted to. I was looking for 1k a month to allow my wife to stay home with the kids. We average around 1500. I am more than happy with it. I have a very steady career even in this economy and I don't plan on changing that.
But, thanks for the laugh and showing your true colors.
At least you can read.
With Avon and MaryKay and almost any other MLM there is a product that is controled by, purchased by, or manufactured by the entity. That is not the case in YTB.
ReplyDeleteJosh, you claim that YTB takes care of things. Only when pressed to do so. When do they fire RTAs? After they rip off a client and the media gets a hold of it. When do they get rid of unscrupulous Rep claims? Never, they keep them on the books forever. Earl Boek physically threatened Mark Ewing and called my house at 2am and was reported. Guess what, he is still pimping YTB.
Look at any of the blogs and the earnings claims are out of control. Go to Criagslist. So please don't tell me YTB reacts.
What about Seligman? What has YTB done about him?
I believe that Legal approval was implemented in the Lindauer phase, but when recruiting expanded and he wanted to put it in check, he was fired. When he screamed foul, he was paid off. I have been told that there must be an approval number on every marketing piece. It is not happening. Even the head of your legal team is not an attorney.
And as to the reporting issue, the SEC does not offer any oversight to the OTC stocks. They merely review.
Laugh all you want, Ainsworth.
ReplyDeleteYou are the one who looks like a fool.
I enjoyed every bit of the $67,000 that I earned last year with YTB.
And that was part-time, good buddy.
I have another traditional business that made much more than that.
Another hint . . .
I enjoy everyone of those $1000 bonuses that YTB sends me.
Over 4 years with YTB.
$67,000 part-time.
Not bad, but it will get better.
I love YTB.
And I love watching all of you whine and fuss about us.
Gosh, with all that hot air and bragging I'm surprised you're not sitting on YTBs board!
ReplyDeleteI bet it was YOU Mixed UP that came up with the FLL statue idea.
I made a 3 million last year just selling travel - no recruiting.
***Sigh*** here we go again. Even though I know it will produce absolutly no results, I'm going to say it.
ReplyDeleteMix.....prove it. Provide a 1099 from ytb or show your tax form showing that 67k in "part time" income from ytb on it. And what do you consider "part time"?
I made more than that last year. I am retired, but still keep my foot in the door booking travel for a select list of clients (25 on my client list) and do it in about 3-4 hours per week, sometimes less. I CAN prove it, am ABLE to prove it, and WILL prove it, and HAVE proven it. You, on the other hand, like all ytber's will never put up because you CAN'T.
Oh, and don't call me "buddy". We're not buddies, friends, or pals. We're nothing. To me, you're nothing but a dog dingleberry that I have to clean up after, just like all travel mlmer's.
Josh, same thing. Prove it. Pony up that 1099 or tax form. You talk big, but when it gets down to brass tacks, you CAN'T ever prove what you say. Bah, but you bore me.
Anywho, I'll be in MCO (that's Orlando for you ytber's) in September at the ASTA show. Will you? Bring your documentation then. I'll meet you in front of the convention center on Monday at high noon.
Well Josh honey exactly how many kids do you have that your wife needs to stay home and look after. You know them Jonestown people all they did was keep their women home having kids so they could control them. Nothing wrong with working outside of the home. Plenty of people do it at legitimate jobs full or part time and guess what their kids turn out just fine. Sounds to me like you are one of those male chauvinists who doesn't want his wife A.) To Worl B.) Make more money than him and C)Keep getting her knocked up so she is beholding to him and he can strut around like a rooster and crow how fertile he is....
ReplyDeleteBetter yet Joshie pooh you stay home with the kids and let your wife work......
ReplyDeleteWell Kitty...not sure why I will even dignify a response, but here goes...my wife and I have 2 children...been married 10 years. With the cost of daycare it was counterproductive for her to go back to work. Her salary at the time our first was born was signifcantly less then mine. So, getting back to work 8 years later. I am sure that if she did our kids would turn out fine but it is a parenting choice that we both made. With that said, the reality is that expenses go up and we want to be able to provide a good life (our way) for our family. So, some extra income helps.
ReplyDeleteBut, please your attempt at insult is welcome as it only belittles yourself.
Miss Kitty said...Better yet Joshie pooh you stay home with the kids and let your wife work......
ReplyDeleteYou need to substitute Doug for Joshie. Doug's wife is the breadwinner while he's the babysitter. I wonder how happy she is?
Since both Mixed and I were on vacation at the same time, I want to assure everyone that yes, we did go together and cozy up. He's such a charmer that I couldn't resist. Naturally he couldn't get a discount so we ended up at the Sleazy Inn in Oskalawla, MS. I had to break it off because he wouldn't even buy me a Whataburger but expected me to be loose with my morals. That did not happen! All he talked about was YTB this and YTB that and how evil John is. He is consumed by it.
ReplyDeleteYou know what was really funny though? I still don't know his name, his location, but I do know that he drives an '83 Impala because he tried to get me in the back seat. Yes, he is as witless as he appears on here and just as full of hot wind. If he made 67K last year then I really went on vacation with him.
By the way Kitty Kat....I am home from work with the kids today so my wife can spend the day at the spa.
ReplyDeleteSo Denyse is a cell phone expert now. And a travel pro. Things must be very tight back at the manse.
ReplyDeleteWith Avon and MaryKay and almost any other MLM there is a product that is controled by, purchased by, or manufactured by the entity. That is not the case in YTB.
ReplyDeleteAnd this is the inherent problem with MLM in travel (not just YTB). The profit margin on travel is too thin to work in an MLM format without a strong focus on recruitment (almost to the exclusion of sellling travel sometimes).
In one MLM model (not travel) the independent sales person gets 50% of the retail sales. So $100 retail = $50 profit for the independent sales person. The balance covers everything else. In the $100 retail example, three generations of upline each get $5, leaving $35 for the company. That $35 covers the actual cost of producing the product, and their HQ overhead, and corporate profit. This model does have a sponsorship (or recruitment) component, but they do not pay incentives on the sign up fees. Commission is based solely on your downline's product sales - and your own product sales. So although sponsorship is alive and well in this model, it does not feed into the bottom line of the company or the upline.
$100 sales in travel at best would garner $20 in gross commission (in the unlikely case of a 20% commission). The RTA gets 60% of that or $12, leaving $8 to cover everything else - upline commissions, corporate overhead & profits. And if it's the standard 10% commission, then the gross commission is $10 and the RTA's cut is $6 leaving $4 for everything else. That's not enough (especially compared to $35 in the non-travel model) - so they focus more on recruitment.
And when you focus more on recruiting, and getting money from recruiting, folks care less about who they are recrutiing or how they are recruiting. Quantity outweights quality and you will end up with people joining solely for the perks/benefits with no plan to work, and those that recruit by touting perks/benefits that may not really be available.
ainsworth, good buddy -
ReplyDeleteI'm glad to see that you are doing well in your retirement.
Walmart has quite a retirement program.
If you get bored in retirement, they would gladly rehire you to greet shoppers with a cart.
You are absolutely the last person I would go out of my way to spend time with . . .
Let alone show my tax return.
I do not have to prove anything to you or any whining, arrogant TTA on this board.
YTB has been good to me and my family.
I have hundreds of RTAs on my Team.
Good people.
School teachers, doctors, dentists, bank managers, realtors, CPAs . . . you name it.
They love their YTB businesses and the tax benefits that go with them.
And they laugh at half-glass-full elitists like you . . . who think the world revolves around you and your little circle of TTAs.
Got to go.
Signing up a new RTA in a few minutes.
$67,000 and heading toward $100,000.
This is fun!
"By the way Kitty Kat....I am home from work with the kids today so my wife can spend the day at the spa."
ReplyDeleteYea, being married to such a weinie like yourself I am sure she needs a "spa break." BTW-Are you writing it off as a stress reliever?
Better be careful honey she just might have a thing for the male masseuse.
You know I know someone who used to tell her dumb hubby she was at a spa all day when she was at Motel 6 doing the horizontal bop.
Hey Martha did Mix spring for quarters for the Magic Fingers??? Baaaaaawwwwwwaaahhhh!
"$67,000 and heading toward $100,000."
ReplyDeleteHey Mix you idiot I spend that much on shoes alone.....
Mix--will you be explaining to the new RTA that the investment of $500 and $50 a month likely will not be valid after January 1 and there likely will be a much larger financial commitment needed?
ReplyDeleteI know you are so ethical, I just wanted to remind you that you really ought to FULLY DISCLOSE all ther is to disclose
I ALWAYS fully disclose, John.
ReplyDeleteNothing to hide here.
The RTAs "will be treated favorably".
Take that as you want.
I know how I take it.
Great days ahead.
The confounded (like Ainsworth) be even MORE confounded as YTB continues forward.
And his big "laugh" will quiet down to a hush.
Nobody believes you Mixed Up. That's what happens when you keep on telling the tall tales. No matter how much you say it, it doesn't make one of your statements true.
ReplyDeletePost about your great success all you want. The numbers say you are not truthful.
Only my banker and accountant know for sure!
ReplyDeleteFrankly, I don't consider it GREAT success.
I am planning to do better.
Planning on winding down the traditional consulting business a notch and spending more time with YTB.
Negative people like you always thrive on bad things.
"The numbers say you are not truthful".
What numbers might that be, eddie boy?
There are definitely people making money with YTB.
But the clueless TTA crowd always averages the income numbers with the 150K Reps who are no longer (or never were) active with YTB.
They paid nothing to become a Rep and they treated in proportion to what it cost them.
I have number of Coach's Corner RTAs on my team, of which the least of them had a 1099 of $10,500 last year.
Not bad for a few hours a week.
And (hint) some GREAT tax advantages!
Ah, Mix.....as expected, you have a big mouth but nothing to back it up. You and your cohorts like to talk big, but whenever challenged to actually prove what you say, you never can. Therefore, you are proving, not only mine, but everyone elses, point. I'm a realist, and don't live in a fantasy world as you do. If you want to be belivable, then you have to show concrete evidence. But, alas, you can't.
ReplyDeleteAs I said, I'm ready, willing, and able to prove what I say. Orlando is a great place to do it, as there will be many, many TTA's there trying to garner as much useful information as possible, as I'm sure the show will be infested with ytber's again this year, grabbing all the freebies they can.
Just remember, the world isn't laughing WITH you, but AT you!
"The world isn't laughing WITH you, but AT you!"
ReplyDeleteYes, the little world of the TTAs.
I could meet with you and show you my 2007 1099 from YTB for $67,545.
But you would not believe it.
"Doubting Ainsworth".
It just COULDN'T be for real if it is from YTB!
It would be a complete waste of my time.
Just like trying to enlighten certain clueless TTAs about YTB.
Have a good evening, good buddy . . .
Noon, Monday of the ASTA Tradeshow in Orlando, in front of the convention center. Oh, and are you going to be able to differentiate what of that 67k is commission from travel sales, and "commission" from sales of websites, if you even come through? Probably not, because ytber's don't sell that much in travel! See, again, you're not getting the point, Mix. I'd be the first to crow about you making that much if it was actualy from the sale of TRAVEL and nothing else, but since you guys always have to toss the recruiting in there, you can't prove that you sold that much TRAVEL. I'll look at your 1099, but still want verification that it is for nothing but TRAVEL sales. Can you do that? See, all us TTA's make our money from the sale of TRAVEL, and nothing else. Get the difference?
ReplyDeleteWell technically he ought to be able to tell the difference. YTB is two separate companies
ReplyDeleteYour Travel Bix (the reps)
YTB Travel Network (RTAs)
And as such, if in deed they are 2 separate copmpanies, they woudl have separate EIN numbers and subsequently issue separate 1099s for earnings under each company
How did this begin by discussing ME and end up on YTB???
ReplyDeleteA couple of points:
1. I MAKE money in YTB. That has NOTHING at all to do with any involvement elsewhere. You ever heard of multiple streams of income?
2. I am by no means a cell phone expert. I have made no investments and I'm still investigating and testing the waters.
BTW, seems like someone has more of a "love" for YTB than he's sharing with you all!! Tell them John! =)
Hey Humble,
ReplyDeleteStraight up, read the rules, we are not supposed to be recruiting for other opportunities if you are with YTB. Multiple streams of income should mean other than multiple MLM.
As far as a "love" for YTB, I agree. If they weren't talking about YTB then what would they do?
You know after reading Mix's blather I really think the guy or gal is one brick short of a full load. Mix's postings are so canned and contrived it is almost funny if it weren't so pathetic.
ReplyDeleteDenyse-I don't get you. You say you are investigating the cell phone stuff but then why are you posting it on your blog? That does not make any sense. Either you are in it or you aren't. And, if you aren't don't post it.