So, after all that big stink about the picture of a kid flipping the bird, the picture becomes a bit more clear. Mind you, no one was able to refute my contention that YTB did not acquire ADI. True to their tactics, the MLM crowd just deflected the conversation to a funny photo.
But as I said, Regina decided to get an answer and in the end..YTB did not acquire ADI. They may in the future, but for now they seem to be a vendor only.
You can find out the current version on Regina's other blog:
Apparently, there was indeed an announcement made about the acquisition of ADI by YTB at the Richmond Travel Training event. According to Jeanie Sharpless, the announcement was made by YTB Travel CEO, J. Kim Sorensen, and the founder and CEO of ADI, Curtis Edwards, who was there to confirm it. The problem, however, is that while this merger is on the planning table and discussions between the two companies are taking place, and maybe they are even close to finalizing the details... TODAY, it is still in the planning stages, and the acquisition has not yet been confirmed. In the excitement of the possibilities of this merger actually taking place, it was announced. It probably shouldn't have been, but it was. You know how excited we humans can get about things. Anyway, since more legal work must be done before it is a DONE DEAL, for now, the answer to the question at hand is "NO" YTB has not acquired ADINow, why on earth would a company announce a merger to a roomful of people when it is not a done deal. This is in Business 101--but with only 2 hours of education, I guess I cannot hold Scott accountable. But this apparently was announced by Kim Sorensen. And here we are a month later and neither ADI or YTB is willing to confirm it.
I have a hunch why it was "announced". In a word recruiting. Here you are in Virginia with a roomful of prospects and non-producing RTA and Reps. You need to do something to get them to sign up and to jump start their productivity. Tell them something--anything. And it seems that ADI was the straw that was drawn.
So, maybe YTB will acquire ADI at this point. Maybe they won't. But I am thinking that after a month, that there probably was no real announcement in Virginia--but now that many RTAs have gone on and broadcast it including some recorded telephone call...YTB may need to put up or shut up. And since the President of ADI is indeed an RTA this is probably the only way he is going be be able to make any money off of YTB!
John,
ReplyDeleteSuper reporting job!
Today monday May 19th, you make a new blog post about a story that was regurgitated over and over a few weeks back AND your source is Regina's blog post from 11 days ago? And that is your NEW info for today. Way to go!
So--what is the news? Are they a subsidiary or not? In case you did not notice, most of what I post is old news....untrained RTAs, misleading comments, false credentials..scamming RTAs, etc. Same story different day; but thank you for making my job easy!
ReplyDeleteWell, your opening line made it seem as though there was some NEW update. "the picture becomes more clear" you said.
ReplyDeleteYou just rehash old complaints to keep your complaints coming.
Why not, if nothing is new, simply not have a blogpost that day?
Well---everyone was screaming that it was true and that there would be a press release and word from HQ on this. I figured I would give you guys several weeks to spin that...but lo and behold...again no substance to the claim.
ReplyDeleteAnd as I said many times before, these posts are written in advance and scheduled. It was supposed to post last week, but with the all the other material you guys produce---the 3 million dollar loss, the Chief's deal, the bailing out on the exclusive buy 2 fly free, and a vendor publicly proclaiming they are not going to pay YTB bonus commissions---this sort of got pushed back a little.
Now, I will let you guys play for a while. I have a train to catch to NYC and won't be back till Thursday--but don't worry, there are some posts scheduled.
Well, John even though we are on other sides of the issue, have a safe trip, we'll keep Kate honest while you are gone.
ReplyDeleteUnlike you and your fellow RTA's anonymous Kate is honest.
ReplyDeleteWell, let it be known that is was an anti-YTBer who threw the first personal shot of the week. Way to go.
ReplyDelete"Well, let it be known that is was an anti-YTBer who threw the first personal shot of the week. Way to go."
ReplyDeleteOh please, don't give us this sanctimonious garbage about taking a shot at you people. You have called us TTA's old hens, dinosaurs, scum bags, jealous and a host of other names. Nothing but hypocrites all of you. And, if you were truly HONEST you would admit it ain't working for you instead of clinging to the fairy dust Coach keeps sprinkling on you.
There are PLENTY of legit hosts out there if you RTA's are clearly interested in travel that would take you in a heart beat. But, you aren't interested in travel. All you care about is recruiting your down line and sending people to a web site. Heck, my dog could probably do that. YTB is a pariah.
You want to be respected get off your collective butts and actually go work for a living like the rest of us intstead of relying on your down line to make a living.
So, in one post you say it isn't working for us, then you say it's so easy your dog could do it?
ReplyDeletehmm, which is it.
"You want to be respected get off your collective butts and actually go work for a living like the rest of us intstead of relying on your down line to make a living."
ReplyDeleteCome to grips with reality, TTA.
We do not have aspirations to be a traditional travel agent sitting behind a desk all day.
Never have, never will.
Like trying to make Costco into Nordstoms.
It ain't gonna happen.
Our business model has been different than yours since day one.
You cannot accept it and your daily angst and frustration is evident.
And laughable.
Daily obsession with our little company.
The ADI post is totally ridiculous.
John trying to justify his slander against a woman.
ADI and YTB will work on their timetable.
With absolutely no concern about what TTAs think.
Just had 2 new RTAs join Friday and 1 yesterday.
One is a CPA firm.
They have 5 days to decide if they were lured in by the forces of darkness.
They can check out any of the drivel by JF and TTAs.
And I bet nothing will change their minds.
Their conclusion will more than likely be like most I work with . . .
Get a life, TTAs.
YTB and TRAVEL: A Great Mix!
It's a little early in the morning for name calling, so let's try to stick with the topic.
ReplyDeleteI think the point John was trying to make is that there seems to be a pattern with YTB of making announcements about stuff that may not necessarily be true,current, up to date, researched as much as it should have been,etc. Please keep in mind too, that YTB issues a press release every time the wind blows. If you don't want everybody in your business, don't issue a press release!! By issuing a press release you are inviting other people to look at your business.
OK< with that said...no press release was issued, AND this was hashed 10 days ago, so my point is why is this travel and MLMs don't mix news today?????
ReplyDeleteThis is a tough crowd! Sorry to hear that you are disappointed with today's topic. I will try to come up with something more interesting, entertaining, or scandalous for the rest of the week!
ReplyDeleteI am not disappointed with the topic, just the fact that john's post infers that something new occurred.
ReplyDeleteKate and JF -
ReplyDeleteTypical spaghetti against the wall and hope it sticks.
Catchy titles to your daily anti-YTB meanderings.
And don't forget, it is not MLM as you try to frame it.
It is YTB all day, every day.
Even if your premise is refuted, the title entry is still there for all to see.
Just like the mainstream media.
Throw it out there and hope enough people believe it.
Coming from the lofty TTA crowd that says YTB has no class.
Yeah, right.
YTB and TRAVEL: A Great Mix!
"So, in one post you say it isn't working for us, then you say it's so easy your dog could do it?
ReplyDeletehmm, which is it."
As usual you missed the point. It isn't working for you BECAUSE only a few at the top are making money. Show us your W2's if you are rolling in it as you claim. You aren't. And anyone can put up a website and claim they are a travel agent.
As to Dougie's post about your business model your business model sucks because only Crotch and people at the top are making money. You RTA's are either too stupid or too blinded to see it. And, you all claim in your recruiting travel like a pro, get discounts reserved for travel agents blah, blah, blah. For a group that doesn't want to be TTA's you sure throw the term around a lot in your recruiting.
To the mental giant above -
ReplyDelete"Show us your W2's if you are rolling in it as you claim"
It's called a 1099.
A new revelation . . .
YTB RTAs are not employed by YTB!
Mr. Businessman trying to tell us how the YTB business model does not work.
"Duh" . . . as they say.
Is that you, ytbscam?
YTB and TRAVEL: A Great Mix!
Hey Mr. Sunshine or fake tan or whatever you want to call it. I'm here, always around. I don't hide behind a anonymous name. I don't claim to never come back to this blog only to show up again and again.
ReplyDeleteI tend to be getting inside your head a bit. And that's perfect Doogie Howser M.D.(with all the false claims from YTB, I'm sure you have a M.D. also!).
John Kate said, "I have a hunch why it was "announced". In a word recruiting. Here you are in Virginia with a roomful of prospects and non-producing RTA and Reps. You need to do something to get them to sign up and to jump start their productivity."
ReplyDeleteDon't be ridiculous amego.
I thought you and your flock have always touted that YTBers, including ones showing up at opportunity meetings, don't know anything about the travel business. If you stand by your words, why would anyone joining YTB care about an ADI acquisition? Your previous statements would assume no one in the room would even know who ADI is. Your "hunch" is out to lunch. ;>)
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Come on Scorekeeper! You and I both know that anything that indicates growth and success is a great recruiting tool, even if the people in the room aren't familiar with travel or widgets or whatever the mlm is marketing. While the people at the recruiting seminar were not travel agents, adding "look we just aquired this other big travel company, so we must be legit" is just one more statement added to the seminar to make it sound better than what it really is.
ReplyDeleteNice try though...
For a company that claims they DON'T want to be travel agents you sure go to a lot of lengths to try to prove you are. Examples Dickinson's short appt. to your board. Trying to buy other agencies so you can get an IATA. Kate said above, "While the people at the recruiting seminar were not travel agents, adding "look we just aquired this other big travel company, so we must be legit" is just one more statement..."
ReplyDeleteLike I said for a company that doesn't want to be like us TTA's you sure try hard to be just that.
John said, "So, maybe YTB will acquire ADI at this point. Maybe they won't."
ReplyDeleteSo then why get your panties all in a twist about it? Please don't let the Richmond announcement trouble you so much.
As the first Anon said, "..you make a new blog post about a story that was regurgitated over and over a few weeks back AND your source is Regina's blog post from 11 days ago? And that is your NEW info for today. Way to go!
"
Well said. Anything new for tomorrow? We're getting tired of leftovers. ;>)
OleScorekeeper
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TravelLisa said..."why is a company that spouts about internet being the wave of the future..was their website $150 or whatever it was higher then the old hen TTA."
ReplyDeleteTL, I've explained this before. Please pay attention as I go over this once again.
Before Expedia hit the scene, I booked with travel agents..paying their extra fees..only to have my travel plans screwed up as the rule..not as the exception. If YTB did not exist today, I would gladly pay Expedia a few extra bucks to get my reservations right the first time. Using that logic, a traveler would be better off booking on-line with YTB as it is proven YTB is, 97% of the time, as good or better then Expedia. $150 is not worth my travel itinerary being destroyed by a travel agent..experienced or not.
Hmmmm...and that was including my measly $25 service fee.
Yeah, you are cheap. A friend of mine was ripped $100 for each of three airline tickets. He is now happily in YTB!
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Ole, YTB is NOT cheaper that Expedia, Orbitz or even Travelocity.(While Travelociy and YTB may both use the same booking engine, they are not given the same content) and sure isn't cheaper than a TTA as YTB does not have the low fare carriers. You can say YTB is the bees knees but I, for one, know differently. Too bad your friend didn't do a little research before he threw his money away on YTB and a high service fee agent.
ReplyDeleteI've explained this before, so please pay attention!
eddie said..."Ole, YTB is NOT cheaper that Expedia, Orbitz or even Travelocity."
ReplyDeleteOh Eddie, Eddie, Eddie..have you lost your reading and comprehension skills? Wally and the Beav are following, why can't you?
Did I say YTB was cheaper then Expedia? STOP!..take your time...think about it...no hurry...
No, OleScore never said that. I said, "YTB is, 97% of the time, as good or better then Expedia." A client of mine found this to be true. Out of 20 side by side comparison bookings..YTB/Expedia..he found 18 on the YTB site to be equal or better in price then Expedia. I have found this to be the case also.
Too bad your friend didn't do a little research before he threw his money away on YTB and a high service fee agent.
Actually he is happy his travel plans won't be corrupted by a travel agent who has difficulty focusing on the clients request.
No more $100 added rip off fees on tickets either.
Sorry. ;>)
OleScorekeeper
Ten to One ole's ex wife or his abusive Mother was a travel agent and that is why he is against ALL travel agents. Ole has an ax to grind. He probably is against teachers, lawyers and doctors too with his convoluted thinking.
ReplyDeleteOle clearly has mental issues and is a kook.
Arguing with someone as deluded and nutso as ole is pointless.
Ole, let me ask you something...
ReplyDeleteHave you ever bought insurance? Used a realtor? Have you ever used an attorney or an accountant or an undertaker? Why do you have such a huge issue with professional service providers charging fees for their services? You seem to be perfectly ok with collecting commissions and collecting funds from building your downline. So why is it that fees bother you so much?? I mean, if it's THAT big of an issue for you, then why aren't you refunding 100% of the whopping 60% that you're making back to every single person that books with you??
If you are going to continue to collect commissions for doing ABSOLUTELY nothing to service your clients, then you've got NO business making an issue of anyone charging services for their fees.
Maybe you should change your signature to Ole Hypocrite!
Agreed, it is pointless. And I really don't care if YTB's 134,000 customers pay too much. And, it's obvious the RTA's don't care either as it's the ONLY site they can refer to. I'm blessed that I don't have to deal with them!
ReplyDeleteYTB isn't better than anybody 100% of the time.
Kate Holmes said...
ReplyDeleteHave you ever bought insurance? Used a realtor? Have you ever used an attorney or an or an undertaker?
Yes to the above.
Why do you have such a huge issue with professional service providers charging fees for their services?
My Insurance Agent- NO extra service fees.
My Realtor - NO extra service fees.
My Attorney - NO extra service fees.
My Accountant - NO extra service fees.
You seem to be perfectly ok with collecting commissions and collecting funds from building your downline. So why is it that (extra service)fees bother you so much??
Again, a lame apples and oranges analogy...nothing to do with collecting commissions and bonuses for building a downline. I don't collect ADDITIONAL "SERVICE FEES". Get it? Sorry to yell.
If you are going to continue to collect commissions for doing ABSOLUTELY nothing to service your clients, then you've got NO business making an issue of anyone charging services for their fees.
And guess what? I no longer pay a travel agent "service fees" for reservation screw-ups..and I never have looked back.
Maybe you should change your signature to Ole Hypocrite!
Kate, I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce. ;>)
OleScorekeeper-
If I was 10 times smarter than the TTA's on this blog, I'd probably be a moron!
YTB and TRAVEL: A Great Mix! said...."Get a life, TTAs."
ReplyDeleteGreat comeback, and so witty too! That remark is funny coming from someone that posts on this blog 15 times a day because they don't have a job, can't sell travel, and can't recruit. What a life, you old turd!
I also left you a very special message in response to your message to me. It's on the Free Cruise blog.
YTB and TRAVEL: A coward in the mist!
Well Ole, you get what you pay for. I'll bet those kids in Tennessee that are out $48,000 for a senior trip would probably agree that paying a real travel agent would have been far better than going with the free fake travel agent.
ReplyDeleteI have had clients tell me on more than one occasion that I dont' charge nearly enough for the amount of service they are getting. Because you're not really a travel agent, and clearly have a very poor opinion of most service professionals, it's very difficult for you to understand.
I think the fact that you feel the need to state repeatedly how smart you think you are, and make immature attacks on others who comment here, is a great reflection of who you are.
You seem to have forgotten that 15 or 20 years ago, agents had to learn about the industry, geography, and service. A lot of those people are still in business today, despite the internet. And they are far more educated and experienced than you. Perhaps you should try a little respect once in a while Ole Scorekeeper. You really don't know what the heck you're talking about.
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Yep, you're at the bottom of the barrel with the rest of the bruised and battered travel seller wanna be's. It's not important the RTA's provide service and good thing to cause they don't know how.
ReplyDeleteIt must be horrible to spend ones time all over the internet defending your MLM. Scam.com, here,
TW, mlmwatchdog, and others whose names I forget. No smoke without fire!
Is it true that 80% of RTAs fail and lose money?
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ReplyDeleteMy Accountant - NO extra service fees.
WOW! I want their cards. Every time I pick up the phone both my attorney and CPA bill me.
Kate Holmes said..."Well Ole, you get what you pay for. I'll bet those kids in Tennessee that are out $48,000 for a senior trip would probably agree that paying a real travel agent would have been far better than going with the free fake travel agent."
ReplyDeleteWell Kate, I hate to burst your bubble, but there are far more scramming "real travel agents" taking the money and running. It's all over the internet and major news media outlets. You know this but choose to ignore it. As I said before, find one rogue RTA and Johns all over it for days with regurgitation sessions weeks and months after the fact. I believe he has only found 2 or 3 incidents since last August. You folks should really clean up your own house first.
I have had clients tell me on more than one occasion that I don't' charge nearly enough for the amount of service they are getting.
And I'll bet you are good at what you do for them.
Because you're not really a travel agent, and clearly have a very poor opinion of most service professionals,..
Now hold on there Kate. You have never once heard OleScore form an opinion about other service professionals on this blog. Let's be honest.
I think the fact that you feel the need to state repeatedly how smart you think you are, and make immature attacks on others who comment here, is a great reflection of who you are.
And what about you and JF? I suggest you review some of your posts and then take a good close look in the mirror and do an analysis on what you see.
You really don't know what the heck you're talking about.
Your generalizing Kate. I would expect a professional like yourself to be more explicit and precise in your characterization of OleScore. ;>)
Good night Kate and make it a great TTA day tomorrow. May your YTB worries not become too burdensome for you in the coming days ahead.
OleScorekeeper
Hmm I'm wondering if Ole uses pre-paid legal?
ReplyDeleteOK let me be a bit more specific.
ReplyDeleteBecause you are not a travel professional, you have no idea what it takes to really be one. And I think it's pretty safe to say that you don't have any idea what it takes to be a really, really good one and make a living at it.
Being a travel pro requires more than just operating a website. Being able to use Sabre doesn't even make you an agent. The booking part of it is the easy part. But knowing enough about the destinations and resorts, and using that info to book the best trip for your client is a different matter.
And it requires more info than what you get from a travel site. Having a travel site doesn't make you a travel professional. It makes you a guy with a website.
So yes, Ole Scorekeeper, you're a guy with a travel site. You're a guy who once upon a time had a bad experience with a travel agent. But you're not a guy who really knows what it takes to do our job, or how to run a profitable travel business.
"Now hold on there Kate. You have never once heard OleScore form an opinion about other service professionals on this blog. Let's be honest."
ReplyDeleteOle I have outed you out. You are the professor gone bad and hates ALL service people especially TA's because you thinks you have superior intellect and are far superior to the rest of us. Nutty professor Ole can't get a job anywhere else because he has been demonized in his chosen profession so he sells websites. How was jail BTW?
Wow...40 comments for a non-issue.
ReplyDeleteI know we hashed it out weeks ago; but in the interim, there were tons of comments and emails saying that it was indeed true. Even Rod said he heard it and sent me an audio clip. People said they "knew" it was true because someone "told them".
So, I gave the benefit of the doubt and let it sit for a few weeks waiting for the release. It did not come. Then I checked in on Regina's blog and she indicated that there was nothing to report either. So, I just wanted to toss it out there again.
You know it has worked in the past. We talked about your great Olympic packages and then did an update on them because they sold so well. Inquiring minds want to know.
I am sure many hours of sleep were lost because of not knowing about the ADI rumor.
To the idiot that is posting the spam---are you getting lots of response?
Well, g'night from the Big Apple. I have a busy day tomorrow and Wednesday with Travel Weekly, Travel Agent, and Travel Trade.
Kate Holmes said...
ReplyDeleteOK let me be a bit more specific.
Because you are not a travel professional, you have no idea what it takes to really be one.
Do you call yourself "a travel professional" Kate? Remember when I said I checked into a Doubletree resort and you said to OleScore, "And you haven't been away from this blog long enough to have actually traveled somewhere."
I responded, "Tell me Ms Kate, have you ever heard of a broadband connection for a laptop? How about a LAN drop in a hotel room? Are you sure you're a professional travel agent? You have me wondering. ;>)
And I think it's pretty safe to say that you don't have any idea what it takes to be a really, really good one and make a living at it.
Correct, except the part about a travel agent being "a really, really good one". The TA's that messed up my travel for 10 years were not "really, really good" instead..really, really awful. Would you not agree?
Being a travel pro requires more than just operating a website.
I never have disagreed with that.
Being able to use Sabre doesn't even make you an agent.
Of course not.
The booking part of it is the easy part. But knowing enough about the destinations and resorts, and using that info to book the best trip for your client is a different matter.
As long as you would not disappoint me, that would be great!
And it requires more info than what you get from a travel site. Having a travel site doesn't make you a travel professional. It makes you a guy with a website.
That's all OleScore is...a guy with a website. No problem with that..correct?
So yes, Ole Scorekeeper, you're a guy with a travel site. You're a guy who once upon a time had a bad experience with a travel agent.
Oh NO! Once upon many a time a bad experience! Please don't minimize my painful experiences, thank you.
But you're not a guy who really knows what it takes to do our job, or how to run a profitable travel business.
Well I say...be accurate with the client’s needs and your have a chance "to run a profitable travel business".
OleScorekeeper
John said..."Wow...40 comments for a non-issue," for ADI? So, What's Up? Not Much!
ReplyDeleteOleScore couldn't agree more with you. Let;s hope tomorrow won't be a non-issue. We will see. ;>)
OleScorekeeper
"My Attorney - NO extra service fees.
ReplyDeleteMy Accountant - NO extra service fees."
Ole - they work for free? Please explain that to us.
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Think about it. Key word is, "extra".
ReplyDeleteOleScorekeeper
The fees I charge aren't "extra" either, you either pay for my services or you don't, just like your lawyer or your accountant.
ReplyDeleteNo fee paid, no service rendered.
Ole,
ReplyDeleteThere are plenty of little "extras" added into the website fares. You may not call them that, but they are certainly there. Might want to read up.
My fees are not extra and my clients prefer to pay that over paying a fee for doing the work themselves on-line. And those fees are there Ole.
ReplyDeleteHey OldCrotchSniffer,
ReplyDeleteHow much money does your lovely charity actually spend on Cancer Research as opposed to marketing, and administration salaries? My guess is about the same amount of money that Crotch spends on travel training for his slaves.
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