NOTE: Part 2 was scheduled to appear here, but this seemed to need addressing first.I have argued till I am blue in the face with Proud To Be YTB, who claims he is a director for YTB in Florida. Depending on some varying factors, he earns either $30,000 a month, $64,000 a year, or $100,000 a year. One of the comments he made was that the only numbers that matter are the ones in his bank account. I imagine this is the support for your downline that YTB keeps saying is essential to success.
The latest round of foolery centers on a press release about the famously successful one day sale in November. The release and the individual websites directed people to book their cruise on November 9th. It told them that there were two methods--call a special 800 number or contact your RTA. Well, Mr. Proud To Be YTB seems to read the release as not being directed to the "common client". I beg to differ.
How about you read it here and let me know. It is a PDF file.
I am suggesting that Proud To Be YTB take some of his $30K a month and enroll in a Reading is Fundamental program or maybe catch a few episodes of Schoolhouse Rock, because it has become painfully apparent that not only does math confuse him, but comprehension of the English language is also an issue.
From the original thread, here are two of his comments:
The common client could not use this number to book a cruise. The client would have to go through an RTA either by website or in person to book for this sales event.And another one:
I'm not talking stupid stuff. These are the facts my friend.
That sales e-mail was given to the YTB RTAs... NOT the clients! The clients received a different e-mail which provided the heading of their RTAs websites and told the clients of each RTA to either visit their website or contact their RTA.
That number wasn't for the clients to use on their own.
Oh please, ads were plastered all over websites like Craig's List telling people to call the 1-800 number to book their cruises. Not one that I read mentioned calling an agent or RTA. And what was the point in calling the toll free number? You couldn't book a cruise through it, they had no idea about anything to do with actual cruises - all they wanted to do was sell certificates. "YTB travel agents will be standing by to help you select the sailing that's right for you" - HA!
ReplyDeleteHere goes John on the attack again!!! What did we discuss before about personal attacks John? Singling me out in another topic IS a personal attack! I think that people are smart enough to go find a topic on their own and post a comment.
ReplyDeletePeople, go read the whole topic. You will see that I am clearly right on this one.
keep in mind that I didn't make the rules. I didn't write the script for the advertizement... but I did understand perfectly the message behind it and further instructions that I... and ALL RTAs received in regarding it.
Here's the link to the topic that caused John to attack once again. Also, keep in mind that John told me that he doesn't attack me personally. What a crock of shit, as he just once again demonstrated the opposite!!! I tried to talk civil to him... and being respectful in my posts. John would stab himself in the back if he could reach that far around himself... LOL!!
ReplyDeletehttp://notravelmlms.blogspot.com/2007/12/can-mlm-and-travel-co-exist-just-maybe.html
Again, I understood the memo PERFECTLY! If John is so smart, why couldn't he?
Notice how he also uses past posts against me.
I've got your personal attack right here John!!!
Hey anonymous, you never saw a typo in an ad before??? Pleeeeeaaase!
ReplyDeleteAgain, I didn't make the ad, but I had absolutely no problem understanding it!
What typo....i read the other comment you made on the other thread about the third way to book the cruise--call the number.
ReplyDeleteIt was all over craigslist to call the number
it was on every ytb rta website the day oif the sale wiht the number
it was on every rta website for a week before saying to check back for the number to call.
so if it was a typo---it was the same typo on several pieces. you ought to really have someone check those out before just releasing it without checking it out. seems like that is what ytb is all about...just spout off and worry about it later
And here's a little more insight about your friend John.
ReplyDeleteIn the last topic, he started out by saying something good about YTB. This caused his own followers to start to attack him. John didn't like that, so he decided to get back on the attack against YTB an me... personally! John worries too much about what other people think about him. I guess he has been a follower all his life... wanting to be the one to "fit in"... though he rarely did. Now that John has thia "wonderful" anti-YTB blog, he gets the chance to play "Fearless leader".
John, when are you going to be your own man? All my life, I've been a leader! I have no problem voicing my views. I could care less about what other people think about it, and I don't change my views to please my peers.
10 years from now... when YTB is still standing tall... and larger than live, you will be the one eating crow!
Attacking me for someone else's ad typo!!! You yourself said that YTB probably could have generated more sales if the ad was printed better. Hmmm... MORE SALES eh! So, counting the ones YTB has generated, we beat the industry average! Who knows... maybe we could have doubled or tripled it!!!!
Again, I didn't write the ad, so don't attack me for it just because I still understood it and you didn't!!!
I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH WRITING THE ADS!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteI see where the ad mentions YTB and Carnival breaking a record for cruise bookings during that event. I've read the results, but was that 12K enough to meet their goal of breaking the record? And curiously, if so does anyone know of the previous record and what company it was with?
ReplyDeleteNo single travel company has booked over 10,000 cruises in 1 month! YTB broke that record in 1 day!!! Imagine if it was a month long event??? Then there would have been at least 360,000 bookings in a month!!! That's 30 days X 12,000!!!
ReplyDeleteProud to be YTB... Curious about your business model, as I understand it, you merely market your travel website to friends and family. Curiously, do you market it beyond that? And, does YTB corporate allow you to market it through offline print ads such as magazines, newspapers, or even perhaps local cable channels. Just curious if there were any limits with respect to marketing.
ReplyDeleteProud to be YTB is really stupid.
ReplyDeleteYou DIDN'T BOOK 10000 cruises in a day you moron!
10000 people would mean roughly 5k in double occupancy. And how many of those were YTBers booking themselves or certs? Bet you can't answer that!
Proud--I merely pointed out that the general public who had access to the website was provided with a toll free number to call to book the cruise. Additionally they were told to call you (the RTA). But nowhere did it have any method to contact you on the site. When I say "you" I am talking about the average RTA. You claim your site has your name and numbers all over it, but we would not know.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that you keep citing an internal memo that says the number is not valid for "common" customers means nothing. If it is internal, how are customers to know?
It may be a YTB issue, and it probably is, but do not come out and tell me that I don't know what I am talking about and am a liar.
Again, I provided the link and the ad. Let the people reading this blog decide for themselves.
Regarding your comments directed to me. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I have a lot of friends and to be honest, I am not losing sleep if you are not among the list. But you know what, I have the balls to put a name, a face, an address, phone number, email, website etc. to the person. Something that you seem to be lacking (and you should not be considering that it was apparently very important to let everyone know that you were a male). I have a position and I am making it. I will stand by it and admit when I am wrong.
I am not hiding behind some anonymous screen name (unless that is your real name and your parents hated you).
There's no way YTB wasn't going to spin their Sail-a-thon as anything but a success. They're not going to release how many YTBers simply made a sale to themselves. Even a local library will set a goal for a fundraiser but YTB will never set themselves up to fall short.
ReplyDeleteThe people running YTB are long-time masters of the pyramid game. It doesn't matter to them that most RTAs didn't sell anything, they're just going to use it as a hype to get more recruits. That's where YTB makes it's money.
I agree--it was 12,000 passengers not 12,000 cruises.
ReplyDeleteAnd I also would venture to say that American Express, AAA, Carlson Wagonlit, Cruise Holidays, Cruise Planners, Mann Travel, The Cruise Guys all would give that phantom record a run for their money.
Another more important topic that would concern me if I had joined YTB is what happens if CCL says we're going to have to cut your commission rate? RCL is gone and there's no real money to be made in airfare or hotel bookings. Any other agent can steer customers anywhere...but YTB agents are limited to who's still doing business with them. CCL is a big biz and if they feel YTB isn't producing enough...or at least enough to warrant the controversy and grief they're getting from traditional agents maybe they won't drop YTB altogether but where would a commission cut leave YTB agents? YTB must not have any kind of contract if the other vendors just walked away....
ReplyDeleteiontop--you bring up a decent point. There is nothing to stop CCL (and all of their brands) from reducing commission on any of their agents or agent group. It is their sandbox, they make the rules.
ReplyDeleteTo be honest, I see CCL moving more to a B2C model which could be exasperated by YTB. If they recruit 500,000 RTAs--is Carnival really that far from dealing with the public directly? The RTAs really do not handle the client--it is either pushed off to their OMega World booking engine or to Carnival directly.
My second point is (and has been) that if that happens, there is probably not too much of a loss to most YTB RTAs. The amount of travel sold by most is minimal. NO one can give me any numbers, but when I see that an average RTA makes under $60 for a month, it leads me to believe that the financial hit to the average RTA is not that significant. They will just bail out and move on and watch the dust as the pyramid collapses
Proud to be..
ReplyDeleteHere's the thing-you're posting on an ANTI-MLM blog! Why is it so surprising to you that the guy who started the ANTI-MLM blog has negative things to say about you? If you are going to post personal stuff-like how much you make, then yes you should expect and accept that some of the comments about you will be more personal in nature. In short, you're asking for it honey.
Other people are going to post their comments as well. The whole purpose is to exchange ideas and information. Since you have been so outspoken, and made so many conflicting statements about how much you make, you pretty much have to expect someone to call you out on it.
I think John has been more than open minded and has taken the steps to inform himself about how YTB works. He didn't start this blog or the petition based on something he pulled out of his ass.
You're not going to convince me, or the other almost 3000 agents that YTB is the way to go, so either accept the fact that you are beating your head against a wall or go away.
Here you go throwing out numbers again... saying that the average RTA only makes $60 a month!!!
ReplyDeleteJohn, I would not have retaliated if you didn't throw a personal attack against me by posting this topic. It could have easily remained in discussion in the other topic. I'm not losing sleep either. I know the facts. You are just judging by information you see on an ad... which may have been a typo. For you to find out for sure, why don't you give YTB a call instead of attacking me for it? I did not create the ad. I did, however follow the instructions regarding the sale-a-thon that were spoken... yes, I said SPOKEN to me and other RTAs.
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These e-mails explained to us the WE... the RTAs were the ones who had to use the special number to book the cruises for our clients... not the clients themselves! I called the numbers and spoke with the service reps (PERSONALLY)who were in charge of operating the sail-a-thon on this day.
I told you I knew what I was talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Again, you are proven WRONG!!!
And for the anonymous blogger... I NEVER said that I personally sold 10,000 cruises that day!!! I said that YTB in a whole sold over that much in a single day... which is more than any travel agency has ever done in a whole month!!!
I said that in participation, I sold 1 cruise booking for 6 cabins and 1 certificate... which is an awesome Christmas gift to give someone!
Learn how to read before you jump the gun into a topic!
You and John can share the same idiot award on this topic. now you feel stupid, because I know that without a shadow of a doubt that I am 100% right!!!
HA HA!
Proud,
ReplyDeleteYou keep spouting out the mouth. I didn't say you did, and YTB didn't book 10k-12k CRUISES either. That's what I said.
Maybe you need to learn to read. We obviously know you can't do math.
He didn't say they make $60 a month...most don't make that kind of big money (and we're talking travel commissions!...so save it). He said they make UNDER $60 a month.
ReplyDelete"Here you go throwing out numbers again... saying that the average RTA only makes $60 a month!!!"
ReplyDeleteJohn didn't come up with those numbers, YTB did.
Actually according to the latest YTB report (http://www.ytb.com/downloads/RTA_Earnings.htm) it says:
Av. RTA Commissions July-07: $57.05
John's actually being generous with $60!
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Nice customer service you all provide there.
My math numbers come directly from YTB---look at the average RTA earnings for July! And that was your banner month when you made the firs million dollar commission payout. So, maybe the guy who is doing the math at YTB is the same one doing the ads for the Sail A Thon?
I know you did not write the ad. Apparently you received a secret memo. But that still does not negate the FACTS that your customers were instructed on your website and via a press release to call the toll free number to book their cruise. It does not negate the FACT that your call center could not sell a cruise if their lives depended on it. It does not negate the FACT that your call center was referring people to call Carnival directly and Carnival was likely booking cruises and bypassing you. Yes, they would! Don't kid yourself!
Speaking of financial hits to RTAs...isn't it unbelievable that YTB management is saying RCL can't ever come back? Coach should be doing whatever it takes to get back what had to be one of the larger revenue streams for the RTAs. What kind of megalomaniac handles it this way? If I lost a big account for myself or my employees I would at least hope and try to get it back...
ReplyDeleteAnd you can already book cruises directly...so I don't see the benefit of going thru a YTB agent...once you're online you can just book it with the cruiseline. That being said, I'm going on a cruise next month...I haven't been on one in years and I stopped in a travel agency to get some brochures. I wound up booking it thru the agency for the same price I would have gotten online, she handled the arrangements and got me a much better deal on a car rental than I had found. I compared everything to YTB...they weren't even close on price and no service.
Well remember what they said, the top dogs at YTB said they would NEVER take RCCL back. Sure you wouldn't. If they took RCCL they would look like even bigger ass clowns.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, you didn't say this???
ReplyDelete"Anonymous said...
Proud to be YTB is really stupid.
You DIDN'T BOOK 10000 cruises in a day you moron!
10000 people would mean roughly 5k in double occupancy. And how many of those were YTBers booking themselves or certs? Bet you can't answer that!"
and I replied that I know that I didn't sell 10,000 cruises in a day, and I never said that
Also, pertaining to that average number, are you assuming that every single RTA has booked travel that month? I sure hope not. Did you know that there are over 135,000 RTAs in YTB. There are ones who booked a lot of travel that month... as well as some who either booked very little or none at all. Those who booked a lot earned a handsome commission. You really can't tell what an RTA is making by an average, because that's all it is... an average. More RTAs may heva booked more travel in other months increasing that average considerably.
John, can we agree that although the info was stated in the ad was misleading, the only true way to book that cruise event was either through an RTA website or through an actual RTA calling the number for the client, providing YTB with their own personnel number and the client's information.
You should not have posted this attacking blog against me for something I had absolutely no control over... namely, the misleading ad. Issues with the ad should have been taken up with the YTB office as well as CCL for they both collaborated on this one.
I also reiterate that the ONLY ways to book travel through YTB are either through an RTAs website... or through an RTA directly. The call center cannot do bookings from a client directly... only itinerary changes or cancellations on bookings.
When a trip is booked, an RTA must receive credit for it.
Again, about the personnel identification number: Yes, this is like a social security number. Many companies are using personnel numbers instead of social security numbers for identification and security purposes. I'm sure you have one too! Well, this I.D. number directly links a sale to the seller. it is not visible to the client... and should never be given out to a client... again for security purposes. We have been informed of this by both, spoken word and memos (e-mail). They also state that giving out out I.D. #s to clients could result in our termination with the company.
I don't understand why you don't understand this, and why you are attacking me for explaining company policies I have been taught... regardless of what an ad may say. When I conduct my travel business, it's strictly by the books!
If YTB took RCCL back, it would only be because RCCL wanted to return... proving that they were wrong for leaving YTB. Therefore, I highly doubt that YTB would be the ones looking foolish.
ReplyDeleteTemptress, I understand your point, but in another topic, John raised a huge fuss over me attacking him... which was only in retaliation for hm attacking me. We agreed not to attack each other... and the next time I turned around, he once again attacked me. The man can't even keep his own word. I wasn't saying anything wrong. i was just pointing out to him that I... as well as other RTAs were trained on how to go about working the SALE-A-THON... yet he kept stating that I don't know what I'm talking about. John has been anything but open-minded. He may act like it from time to time, but that is just to create a comfort zone... as waits poised for the next opportunity to attack again. There was absolutely no reason for him to start up a new topic with a topic like this. There was absolutely no reason for him to bring up past discussions into an entirely different subject. John talks about professionalism. This was highly unprofessional.
Maybe the ad was poorly written, but I did understand it. Maybe that's because I was trained to understand it. If John has any further problems about an ad of a sale that took place a whole month ago, he can call YTB HQ anytime he wants... if he can make a professional inquiry. Don't take it out on someone who didn't create the ad.
One more Temptress, thank you for talking to me in a professional, respectful manner. You're a good person who although has a different view, remembers that there is an actual person on the other side of these words... who aside from the views is really no different than anyone else here.
I may be a Director with YTB, but all that is... is a glorified RTA. It's not a title for which the company voted you in on. It's a title for having over 500 people in my down-line. it doesn't make me better than anyone in my down-line. It just creates more of an income for me and makes my insurance free. Yes, I am vocal here, because you think that because I am MLM, I am just a lazy person who can't hold a real job. This is a real job. before this, I also had another real job that although it paid very well, I was still shelling out a lot of money as the cost of living is constantly on the rise. Getting back to YTB, I didn't get my down-line easily. It takes a lot of hard work to not only "recruit" people in, but to also be there to help those in your down-line to "recruit" people in. It takes a lot of time and effort to build a clientele. I have done both and that is because of my own dedication and perseverance.
Call it what you want. I call it business. I call it opportunity. I call it finally being able to achieve my biggest goals in life... building a future for mu children and down the road... my grandchildren.
Something else to think about...
When your children are your age, they will most likely have to work 2 to 4 jobs to provide a substancial income for them and their families to live on. The average home will sell for no less tht $500,000.00! They are already that high in NY and California to name a few states. Property taxes will be 3-4 times higher than they are now. The same goes for homeowner's insurance. I can easily see gasoline being over $5.00 a gallon within the next few years. It may even be up to $8 a gallon by the time our children become our age. Many people these days cannot afford to retire. when our children become of age... retirement for them will be when they are 6 feet under. That's a scary thought.
And tepptress, that "you" in the last entry was just in general... not a finger pointer. :)
ReplyDeleteWe agreed not to attack each other I don;t recall that agreement.
ReplyDeleteBut let me remind you how this latest post started. I stated and documented that clients were to call the 800 number. You went on to show me an inside memo saying something different. Something that was NOT on every RTA site or sent out to the masses.
When I told you that no one but you was privy to that, you said I was wrong and did not know how to read the announcement. I posted it to prove the wording.
You sent a memo that said if your clients call the toll free number make sure they have your RTA number. I said it was never provided to the public for when they called the number. And you said it was a secret number.
You last post before I did this entry was that I was unable to read the announcement by YTB correctly. I disagreed and decided to see what the others had to say.
But if you can put your finger on our agreement, please send it to me.
John said (and I quote)
ReplyDelete"I am not attacking you--it is your positions and arguments. I just want to be clear on that!"
Well, evidently you ARE attacking me after all! I was NEVER the first to attack anyone here... including you. You attacked, and I retaliated.
Calling someone an idiot, moron or whatever is not only a personal attack, but it is just plain ignorance... just because they don't think the way you do.
I added info to back up what I've been saying, but you choose not to be open-minded about it and go on the offensive. Also singling me out in another topic multiple times is considered an attack!
Yes, I did make a mistake in my postings, and yes I corrected myself. I know I said I wouldn't post income again, but it seems as if you're still confused on that issue.
My travel sales (not commissions) for 2007 to this date is over $63,000. These are all bookings either made by clients on my website or in person with me calling the vendors directly.
Now from the marketing side... which has nothing to do with travel at all, I make over $30,000 a month. This is from building a successful team of RTAs.
Now that this is allcleared up, there should no longer be any question about it.
Getting to the RTA Identification number: This number given to the RTAs is between the YTB main office and the RTAs. This number is solely for verification so that any sales generated by the individual website... or via a direct call to the vendors can be credited to the appropiate RTA. In other words, it's to make sure the right commission gets paid to the right RTA. Now, for security purposes, this I.D. number should never be given out to a client for the client to use. The reason why is that if a client has an RTA's I.D. number, the client could then go onto an RTA's website and book travel as if he/she were the travel agent and possibly get a travel agent's rate. All they have to do is go to the right part of the website where it will ask if you are an agent. All they will have to do is enter the ahent ID#. There's a lot worse things that could happen with an RTA's ID# in the wrong hands. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
We are also strictly told that if any RTA is caught giving their I.D.# to a client for the client to use on their own to directly call a vendor... even if it is to give that RTA credit for the sale, that RTA can be suspended or terminated!
getting back to another legitimite question:
ReplyDelete"Proud to be YTB... Curious about your business model, as I understand it, you merely market your travel website to friends and family. Curiously, do you market it beyond that? And, does YTB corporate allow you to market it through offline print ads such as magazines, newspapers, or even perhaps local cable channels. Just curious if there were any limits with respect to marketing."
We do market beyond friends and family, and can market any way we choose to, whether it be radio, tv, magazines, newspapers... etc. It is up to each and every RTA to direct traffic to their own website.
And when I point out flaws in your positions or arguments and you don't like it you call it a personal attack? I merely said I was tired of making the same point with you.
ReplyDeleteNow, you have opened the can of worms on the super secret ID that YTB gives you. You ought to make sure THEY know the rules as well, because in your comment on the other thread, you copied and pasted the internal memo from YTB that said to make sure your clients have your TYB ID#. Here is the post.
And if you think it is so secret and people are doing nefarious things...check out this website
http://www.jackiestraveldeals.com/
And her YTB ID # is 123974. No so secret huh? And to think YTB is the ones that put it on the site. No, it is not obvious, but if you have a modicum of intelligence you can find it.
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gopfdtYes, I know what I copied and pasted, but I also know the rules concerning the I.D. numbers.
ReplyDeleteAnd john, adding the name calling in your blogs does turn a simple case arguement into a personal attack. Like I said, I wasn't the one who started the name calling. You were. I also tried to change the attitude of your postings, by giving you a compliment. That didn't work. More name calling came from you. If you want people to speak to you in a professional manner, you must also do the same to them. It's a commom rule of thumb. To be respected, one must show respect.
Being in YTB, I post the info I know and what I was taught. You, on the other hand, look for anything you can dig up and put your own little spin on it.
Now, you started another topic stating that we each told to get 6 people. In actuality, instead of being told o get 6 who get 6 who get 6, we are told to get 3 who get 3 who get 3... since 3 is the minimum required for the 50% match on sales. Also, after the first 3 we personally sign on, any other personal recruits become $100 paid to us instead of $50.
You also mentioned about running out of recruits/clients. We both know this won't happen for a very very long time! Why?
1) not everyone is going to want to get into the business, so there will alweays be clients.
2) People pass on... yes, evenn RTAs have to go 6 feet under at some point. We all die.
3) People are born everyday, so as the years press on, more people are going to become of age to join the work force.
4) YTB is expanding into other countries!
In the 1st quarter of 2008, we're expanding into Canada.
In the 2nd quarter, we are expanding into the U.K.
5) Right now, 135,000 RTA's is just a drop in a bucket. If you take a football stadium that has a capacity of 80,000 people... YTB doesn't even fill up 2 of them yet.
John, i have been up and down that website... on every page and every link. I still didn't find that number. I am also sure that the average person is going to go onto the website to book travel instead of hunting for a hard to find I.D. # if it is at all on the travel website. The only place I know of that my I.D. # is posted is in my own back office where the clients don't have access.
Well, is the number correct or not? Email me the link to your travel booking site and I will email you back with your YTB ID#
ReplyDeletejohn@jvegroup.net
I promise any further communication will be here or at your initiation.
Is this how you found her number? Did you gain control of her user-name and password, and go into "agent login" and get into her back office?
ReplyDeleteIf so, that's illegal John!!! There's a lot of personal info in an RTA's back office... including their credit card info, upline info and downline info... not to mention order history, paynment history, sales history... etc. If she have you permission to go in there, she could also be terminated.
If a back office was meant to be accessed by clients, it wouldn't be password protected.
Are you serious? I just randomly guessed her password? Come on!
ReplyDeleteNo, tell you what, give me booking websites for 3,5,10 RTAs and I will tell you their YTB ID#.
Not their passwords, their ID numbers. Just list the links here and as soon as I see the comment I will come back with the numbers to you--just be sure you can verify them.
Yes, that's it. Now delete it, and tell me how you dug around and found it.
ReplyDeleteDeleted along with your previous post with the link. It was not on the site you sent me but as I said it is on the TRAVEL booking site. I clicked to their BOOK TRAVEL link and voila. No digging. The delay was in responding to the email!
ReplyDeleteNow as to your security--hopefully YTB encourages complicated passwords and requires them to be changed periodically.
I still didn't see it posted on the website... even in the "Book Travel" part. Now, you also mentioned replying to an e-mail???
ReplyDeletePlease clarify, because I don't go around people's YTB websites looking to find their I.D. #.
Also, thank you for promptly deleting those posts.
Just to let you know, I am being open-minded about this.
ReplyDeleteI just want to find out why it is that YTB tells us the rules about our I.D. #'s compared to how accessible it is for clients to find it. I want to know, so i can bring this forth with the YTB HQ.
IT is not posted per se on the site but it is readily available. When you mouse over many links, your browser will display the destination and at the very end it says YTBID#123456
ReplyDelete"Also, pertaining to that average number, are you assuming that every single RTA has booked travel that month? I sure hope not. Did you know that there are over 135,000 RTAs in YTB. There are ones who booked a lot of travel that month... as well as some who either booked very little or none at all. Those who booked a lot earned a handsome commission. You really can't tell what an RTA is making by an average, because that's all it is... an average. More RTAs may heva booked more travel in other months increasing that average considerably."
ReplyDeleteProud - did you EVER take Intro Statistics? I doubt it.
Welcome back CTA In MD!
ReplyDeleteLast time you posted, you said your mouth was full to the roof in horse sh**. I was just a little worried that you may have had some serious problem for it. Glad you are back!
Oops, More conventional travel professionals ripping off customers in the news this week.
ReplyDeleteJohn, what do you, as a self-proclamimed travel leader, doing to see that these customers are returned their money?
What is your travel media doing, No travel column on how to stop it?
No associations or venture outrage?
No petitions? NOTHING.
You travel "professionals" are giving us Referring Travel Agents a black eye.
Why not chip in, take some of that big profit you all pretend to earn, and refund these customers their money, like YTB did, the one time it happened?
Just wonder.
RobertsResorts.Net
Well you'll remember Earl/Roberts, it was YTB Horseshit - the crap you were throwing around. Keep doing it, you're all hanging yourselves in the eyes of the Vendors reading this blog - and many are....
ReplyDeleteJohn,
ReplyDeleteI found it. Thank you for pointing this out to me, and thank you for not posting exactly where it is. I will notify YTB HQ about it right away and see what can be done to change it.
To the others who post here:
As you can see from this, we may be on opposite sides of the fence here, but there's no reason why we can't get along and debate our sides in a manner that is not only respectful to others or ourselves, but also to the travel companies we represent... not to mention the vendors who may be reading this.
Also, yes I know about statistics. I also know that statistics are not concrete. They change from day to day, month to month... year to year... like a batting average.
John, one more thing. She may not be in my downline, but she is still YTB. Could you possibly blank out Jackie's YTB I.D. number from the post above. I don't know if you can edit here or anything.
ReplyDeleteThe number was deleted when asked. In a post of mine I used 12345 as an obviously bogus number
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