Showing posts with label Statue. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Statue. Show all posts

Monday, January 19, 2009

My Apologies

I know that readers of this blog have been following the saga of the Statue of Liberty and I am not sure how I missed this last month.  But as they say...better late than never! And a giant 150' foam shout out and thank you to ChrisN from scam .com for finding this for me!

The last time we joined Lady Liberty, she had just completed her $30,000 analysis that indicated that this donation from YTB to the City of Hammond, IL would cost the city millions just to erect. Realizing that they may have received the short end of the torch, the City placed Lady Liberty for sale on eBay.

Unfortunately, there were no bidders to the minimum bid of $150,000. So now it looks like Hammond needs to figure out the best way to dispose of her--some have indicated that disposal might exceed $100,000. Maybe they can try Craigslist. Or maybe YTB can call Carnival Cruise Lines and see if they want to be the first with a Foam Fake Statue of Liberty at sea.  Just a thought!

It seems that YTB has been able to pull a fast on on the City of Hammond, just like it did the 138,000 RTAs that bought into their scheme!

To recap, the statue was built by a company owned by a pair of Tomers and a Sorensen. The publicly traded YTB cut a check to the privately held company for $6 million (or maybe it was $8 million) for the statue--according to television reports this did not include shipping. But shipping may have been free since UPS was sponsoring the convention. But anyhow, not knowing what to do with the hunk of foam, YTB donated it to the City of Hammond and likely took a healthy tax deduction because this was a tribute to fallen heroes. Now the city has paid $30,000 for an engineer to tell them that in essence it is a piece of foam and is in no way suitable for public outdoor display.

Good one Coach...you sure got them!


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Thursday, December 4, 2008

The Facts Half-Truths About YTB--Part 6


Earlier this week I said that the "Values" page was the shortest page in the site. I was wrong, it is the second shortest. The shortest is the one for today--SUPPORT. But again, no surprises that there is not too much YTB says on the support issue. Today, let's take a look at the sixth tab on the new YTB site called www.TheFactsAboutYTB.com:

Support:

First Class Training is indeed a travel training program. While it is a very minimal program, it is a step in the right direction and it was developed as a result of the current lawsuit by California against YTB. Formerly, this class was called Certified Referral Travel Agent Training (CRTA) and while the title suggested something about travel--the curriculum was anything but. When confronted, YTB developed something about travel. It is an open book online course completed in 4 hours and there is a costs for the RTA to do this. To be candid, it needs to be pointed out that in your $449.99 start up fee, and your ongoing $49.95 monthly fee, travel training is NOT included.

The YTB e-Campus by Marc Mancini is another good step in the right direction. The classes are not really "unique" to YTB as they advertise as they are the same curriculum that Marc has been teaching for years. They are however a very nice income stream for YTB. The classes are licensed in bulk to YTB and then YTB charges the RTAs individually. It also needs to be noted that YTB is very behind in releasing these classes--or maybe they have not paid for the classes yet. The initial concept was to release a unit per month, but in the year plus that it has been around there have only been a handful of units released. And finally, while YTB will not release the numbers, the percentage of RTAs taking these classes is woefully minimal.

The YTB National Convention. Well, what more proof do you need that this is the "largest annual event in the travel industry" than a YouTube video produced by Beryl-Martin--a company privately and wholly owned by Scott Tomer, Coach Tomer, and Kim Sorensen. Ironically enough, the California Attorney General served YTB papers on the eve of their convention charging them with operating a pyramid scheme and fraudulent business practices. Fake seemed to be the theme of thhis year's convention--fake statue (which has it's own story), fake Ray Charles, fake attendance numbers, etc.

Please note that there is not a single mention of any support that might be offered to the people that purchase travel. But we already know how they support that.

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Thursday, November 20, 2008

Fake Lady Liberty Falls

At long last, the fate of the famed Fake Statue of Liberty has been determined. Sort of. Currently, Hammond, Indiana is saddled with the storage costs of this monstrosity and they have no place to put it in public. So the choices are:

  • Find a donor willing to sink several million into shoring up the island where it was originally supposed to go. (Not likely)
  • Send it back to Beryl Martin (Best choice, let Kim, Coach and Scott figure out how to dispose of their own mess)
  • Cut it up in pieces and use it at a welcome center
This seems like a fitting end to yet another poor management decision for YTB. Had this news come a few weeks earlier, they could have incinerated her and scattered her ashes from the YTB Lear Jet across the golden plains.

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Thursday, October 9, 2008

Ouch!

On August 3, 2007, Michael Brent sold 16.650 shares of his YTB stock:
3-Aug-07 16,650 YTBLA.OB Sale at $8.48 - $8.48 per share.
(Proceeds of about $141,000)
On October 1, 2008, Michael Brent sold 16, 667 shares of his YTB stock:
1-Oct-08 16,667 YTBLA.OB Sale at $0.60 per share.
(Proceeds of $10,000)
This is the stock of a company that:
  • Claims they are poised to take over the travel world
  • Is supposedly ranked #26 according to Travel Weekly
  • Is facing a $25M lawsuit from the California Attorney General
  • Is undergoing an investigation from the Illinois Attorney General
  • Has seen a rapid exodus of RTAs and Reps
  • Has lost their IATAN accreditation
  • Has been "fired" by several vendors
  • Has many complaints from the BBB
  • Is mired in all sorts of insider deals
  • Paid $6M (or maybe it was $8M, or maybe it was $2M) for a foam statue that no one wants
  • Encourages deceptive recruiting, or at least looks the other way--Seligman anyone?
  • Pays their average RTA slightly more than $100 a year
  • Pays their average Rep less than $100 a year
  • Collects 74% of their income from recruiting
  • Claims they are not a pyramid scheme

Hmm..did I forget anything?



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Sunday, August 17, 2008

Uhm...Excuse Me Coach? I Have A Few Questions

NOTE: This post was intended to run on Tuesday, August 5, 2008. But now that the Convention is over, it is still appropriate and I wonder if any Reps or RTAs might have had the gumption to ask some hard questions.

To those that are headed to the Convention later this week and are seriously interested in selling travel, I offer these 14 questions for Coach.

  1. Are there any plans to have the Certified Referring Travel Agent Training (CRTA) classes taught by anyone with some certifiable travel experience?
  2. What is happening to my clients who are traveling August 6-10 since YTB has shut down the home office to allow all employees to come to St. Louis?
  3. Do you feel that $8 million was really necessary for a 3 day centerpiece?
  4. Why is the donation of Lady Liberty now in the hands of Beryl-Martin? I thought this was great publicity for YTB.
  5. How many RTA websites are there right now in YTB? Kim was unable to figure it out with Nadine Godwin, I figured you might know.
  6. Will Dr. Bob Seligman be addressing the convention?
  7. Is it true that you, Kim, and Scott are the owners of Beryl-Martin Printing?
  8. Of the reported 22,000 in attendance, how many Reps and RTAs (not spouses, guests, families and friends) are there?
  9. When will we be able to concentrate on selling travel and being recognized as a legitimate company? It is tiring having to defend YTB all the time and Kim said he was working on "legitimizing" YTB last year. How is that coming along?
  10. What are your plans for credentials now that IATAN has refused to grant us accreditation and it seems like CLIA is upping the requirments significantly?
  11. Are there any plans to offer a more competitive commission split to be comparable to the majority of the host travel agencies in operation?
  12. When will our finances be up to snuff to be admitted to one of the Big Board exchanges?
  13. What really happened with Bob Dickinson?
  14. What really happened with Ted Lindauer?

While these are somewhat tongue in cheek, each question does indeed pose a legitimate concern--or at least ought to pose a legitimate concern for anyone who is serious about doing business with YTB.

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Monday, July 28, 2008

Damage Control On Franchising

As with so many MLM companies, both the legitimate ones and those that are less than legitimate, the leadership creates a fervor and a cult like following. The continued success of this model is reliant on new people coming into the program and funding the paychecks of those that entered the program earlier. Some call it a pyramid scheme or a Ponzi scheme. While partially true, this is not the case, becasue in those two schemes, there is nothing involved but a money trade.  In order to "legitimize" the scheme, there must be a product. And in the case of YTB, the product is travel stores and travel. But please make no mistake, travel is merely a means to an end and a byproduct.

This comment was made on the Yahoo Finance Boards last week. Take it for what it is worth:
I worked for the corporate office for two years as a senior level programmer. I am the one who set up the systems that now run the company and I had access to the top. I was there when the stocks went skyhigh and heard the comments with my own ears from Lloyd and Scott about what they were going to buy when the stocks reached a certain level. They have no intention, nor ever had any intention, of making this a serious company. All of the programmers (very talented programmers who have since left due to the company bull@#$%) always talked about why the hell they didn't let us build a true booking engine if they were truly serious about making the company into something real.

I can tell you without a doubt that they don't want a real booking engine because there never was and never will be any intention of the company being anything other than an empty shell that funnels money into the top tier that will be used up and thrown away.

They are amateurs that only know how to scam people.

The YTB cheerleaders will call me a naysayer or a disgruntled employee but that's ok because I have seen the wizard behind the curtain.

It is funny,he references the Wizard of Oz; because I feel the curtain is about to be pulled open on YTB very shortly and there will be a lot of exposure that will not be pretty. The saddest part is that virtually everyone in the program except for 1000 or so early adopters will lost what they have invested. They will have been promised a dream and it will turn into a nightmare.

At this point in time, I believe YTB is working a new money grab with the announcement they will be franchising in 2009. While they still have a receptive audience (recruiting is tanking and more on that later) they are pumping up the benefits of franchising--a concept they derided as third rate for years. I have suggested that a new franchise (with all the bells and whistles they claim) will sell (if they can sell it) for $5000. But to the RTAs that want to switch, they can do it for $2500 and YTB will finance it over a year interest free. Of course most RTAs are not making money as it is, but this promise, this carrot, will be enough to have many make the switch. This is potentially a $325M windfall for YTB. And then you add the other accessories that will be needed to "insure" your success like manuals, support, training, collateral--all at a price!

Once established as a franchise, the pressure is off of YTB to perform in the realm of travel. It is all put on the back of the individual franchisee  who will likely see lower commissions because they are based on INDIVIDUAL production. The franchisee will pay a monthly franchise fee or a royalty or both. But they will not realize this until they have bought into the franchise and are likely locked into a multi year contract.

They say that the existing program will remain. Probably. They cite the Bill of Rights and the copyrighted compensation plan. Can anyone tell me what the plan is tied to? Recruiting. So if the recruiting falls off like it is, there will be less and less compensation. They pay per the plan and the BOR, but once it dwindles to nothing, the Reps will leave. YTB will not have violated the plan in any way. All they have done is say I will guarantee you a commission as long as there is a sale. No sale no commission. It is simple really. The existing Reps will be able to continue to sell the Busiess Opportunity but not the franchises. There are a lot of legal issues with franchising that are not a part of a Business Opportunity. Is it an odd coincidence that YTB has been quietly hiring Business Development Managers with franchise sales experience for the last six months?

I mentioned the decline in recruiting. YTB is on the verge of losing more people than they are bringing on. I suspect that we will not see this in the financial reports until the third quarter of 2008. When Coach could not sell out his two cruises he opened them up to military and pastors for free--of course they all received a sales pitch and if given a free cruise, I might be inclined to cut a check for $500 to join and "repay" him.  2Q is safe, but 3Q might show a different tale.

Meanwhile, the senior management has been filtering  money to a privately held sister companies. Take for example this foam stage prop. Depending on whihch report you believe, YTB is paying $6 million or $8 million dollars to have this produced. Seems extreme to me. But what you don't know is that the manufacturer of this monstrosity is a privately held sister company owned by Coach, Scott and Kim. So, they have effectively transfered up to $8 million dollars to a very small company controlled by three insiders. Sure there is cost, but $8 million? I recently heard that Reps and RTAs were required to buy paper collateral from this same company. Do you want to venture who will be preparing all the training manuals and collateral for the franchise? Would anyone care to venture if the prices might be inflated? Do you think the private company, absent an investigation, is out of reach of the SEC?

Right now, the existing Reps are scrambling. and the blogs are alive with fear and trepidation. One in Michigan even went so far as to say he was selling the franchises (tough to do since it is not a done deal yet) for $449 and he portrayed the site as an official YTB site. He issued a press release that indicated he was speaking on behalf of YTB and only disclosed he was not in the "about us" paragraph at the bottom.  Although I am not sure he fooled anyone--while YTB may be a scam they do put on a good face and I have never seen "registerd By Go Daddy" on the bottom of one of their sites. But YTB never claimed to have the brightest bulbs in the pack.

So there you have it--my take on the YTB debacle. In terms of travel, the numbers are down, they will try some more smoke and mirrors with the franchise allowing them to filter money into a private company and prepare to move on to the next thing. I believe that they realize travel may have been a mistake. There is not a lot of margin, they have essentially failed in their expansions (not to mention the other programs like Olympics, 2 Fly Free, Cruise With Coach, etc.) and are positioning to move on. A recording of the Coach indicated that with franchising he wanted to be the biggest supplier of "products" and to take on Walmart and Sam's Club. There was no mention of travel. I have said for a long time that I felt they woudl use travel as long as they could, and tht time may be here!

Interested in reading some of the fearful blogs? Check it out here, here, here, here, here and here!




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Tuesday, July 22, 2008

New YTB Class: Protecting The Environment 101


Apparently, there might be some news coverage after all. from the Earth First website:

UPDATE - The $6 million styrofoam statue of liberty commissioned by YTB for their convention this August is going to meet some resistance from environmentalists in the St. Louis, Missouri area. YTB claims that the statue is a ‘tribute to the troops’, but the mind-boggling cost paid for this polluting nightmare could have been put to far better use, perhaps going directly to the troops and their families.

The protest rally will be held at the YTB convention, August 6th-10th, at the Edward Jones Dome. Contact the person who posted the Craigslist notice for more info.


If you’re in the St. Louis area and plan to attend, please take photos and contact us!
For more info on the statue of liberty, check out our previous post - Eco Fail: Giant $6 Million Styrofoam Statue of Liberty One Big Polluting Mess
And from a Craigslist posting:

Protest Rally @ YTB Convention (Edward Jones Dome) Reply to: pers-764189392@craigslist.org Date: 2008-07-21, 3:58PM CDT
Protest rally @ YTB Convention, August 6-10.
Edward Jones Dome and their HUGE foam statue costing $6 MILLION. This is supposed to be a tribute to our troops. Better if YTB donated that $6 million to the soldiers and/or their families.

http://earthfirst.com/eco-fail-giant-6m-foam-statue-of-liberty-a-big-polluting-mess/
http://www.tripso.com/today/nothing-says-freedom-like-25-tons-of-styrofoam-or-does-it/
http://digg.com/environment/Eco_Fail_Giant_6M_Foam_Statue_of_Liberty_a_Polluting_Mess
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/17/styrofoam-statue-of-liber_n_113426.html


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