Monday, February 2, 2009

The Hidden Cost Of MLM

TO:  Carnival Cruise Lines, Princess Cruise Lines, Holland America Line, Disney Cruise Line, Walt Disney Travel Company, Globus, Trafalgar, VAX Vacation Access, Travel Impressions, Cunard Line, Seabourn, Collette Vacations, MSC Cruises, Costa Cruises, Apple Vacations, The Mark Travel Company & Brands, Travel Guard and the rest of the travel suppliers who deal with the MLM travel agencies.


RE:  Additional costs to deal with MLM

I bet you thought that offering a 16% commission and a few marketing bucks was a great deal to deal with an MLM when you started. I bet you are wrong. Have you ever taken a look at the hidden cost of dealing with an MLM? When reputation is everything in this industry, I am surprised that you all are willing to sacrifice your hard earned brand image. Please consider the following:

Are you gaining more clients? Or just discounting your product?
  • The bean counters all see the dollar signs for the bookings. But it has been proven that most of the sales are to themselves. So it is logical to assume these MLM participants would likely have traveled in any case and purchased via a more reputable means. All that is accomplished here is to cheapen your product by discounting--something many of the suppliers themselves prohibit. The alienation of your sales force by doing so is a whole other discussion. Perillo Tours found out that 90% of their YTB bookings were for the agents themselves. Sort of defeats the purpose of hiring an "agent" to do your marketing doesn't it?

What's happening to your reputation?
  • What happens when one of these untrained MLM participants makes an attempt to market your product? I am sure you have seen some marketing attempts--many have been highlighted on this blog. And do you really want someone trying to sell your product, when their goal is to sell them into their scheme so they can travel for free?
  • What happens when one of these so called "agents" decides to collect almost $100,000 from high school seniors and run with it? While Carnival obviously had no responsibility in that matter, the cruise line's good name was certainly dragged through the mud.
  • What happens when you do offer reduced rate travel and these MLM participants descend and are soliciting your full fare paying customers? What type of taste does that leave in your customer's mouth? And why do these MLM "agents" need to be continually reminded on how to be professional?

What's happening to your money?
  • Cruise lines are becoming more and more dependent on onboard revenue for their profitibility. Has anyhone bothered to do a study of the amount of money the MLM clients actually spend on board as opposed to that of a traditional agent? What about the MLM participants themselves? I was on a Carnival ship in November and witnessed a MLM agent from Traverus bragging that they got the cruise for next to nothing, had weaseled out of tipping, smuggled in a lot of alcohol and soda, and brought insulated drinking cups to keep them well lubricated. With all that planning, I am sure a nickel did not make its way to Carnival.
  • Sure you pay some of these MLM companies top tier commissions, but for that, one would expect that the agent does the lion's share of the work. Are the MLMs pulling their weight? Have you looked at the time your internal people spend hand holding and re-training the MLM participants time and time again? Is it really worth it to pay 16% commission? I recently heard that a major cruise line flew staff from Miami to St. Louis to answer consumer calls during YTB's recent Sail-A-Thon.  I suppose they did not want a repeat of the "service" handed out at last year's event. Honestly, it makes more sense to take the booking direct and not pay a commission at all.
How do your employees feel?
  • Have you ever questioned your front line empoloyees about how they feel dealing with the MLM agencies? I have. It is not pretty. You need customers for sure, but you also need employees who are excited to work for you. Why not offer an anonymous survey and allow them to voice their opinions? 
  • Ask your BDM's their honest opinion. I am sure you will be shocked. Be sure they know you want to know how they feel and not what they think you want to hear.
Do these "agents" know the product?
  • On a recent blog post, a YTB Referring Travel Agent was insistent that a "tender" was money. While that is certainly a definition of tender, it is not the case in the travel industry. Most likely this agent is advising clients that while in George Town, Grand Cayman that they need to take money to get ashore.
  • Speaking of the Caymans, the RTA that took off with the high school seniors' money--she advertised that the "boat" "docked" in "Grand Caymen". What impression is left on the consumer? And why are suppliers facilitating it?
  • When Royal Caribbean made their move, most of YTB insisted that Lisa Bauer's promotion to the VP of the Hotel Operations was really a demotion for "dissing" YTB and that she was in charge of changing sheets in the pre-and post cruise hotels.  Seriously, I am not kidding.
Is the interference worth it?
  • From what I hear, many suppliers have received subpoenas from the California Attorney General requesting access to many financial documents related to the current suit against YTB for operating an illegal Pyramid Scheme. While I am sure that all suppliers operate on the up and up, additional governmental scrutiny can never be a good thing.

It is obvious the cost is far greater than the commissions paid. The MLM "agents" are not earning their commission and quite honestly, your continued dealing with them is slowly but surely eroding your very own brand image. Royal Caribbean took a bold, brave step in 2007 by eliminating YTB from their agency list. Other smaller suppliers followed as well. Last week, NCL came to the realization that dealing with an MLM is simply not worth it.

Right now, each supplier needs the support of people that know the product and are professional, legal and ethical in operating their businesses. I challenge that you are not getting this with YTB, Traverus, GTI and the rest. Richard Fain and Adam Goldstein reiterated their belief in a trained professional agent to move their product. I applaud them. Traditional Travel Agents are very relevant to travel suppliers, and they are proving that relevancy each day.

How relevant are the MLMs?  How committed to you are they? Have you listened to one of the YTB Saturday morning conference calls? This week, the word "travel" was mentioned exactly once--when they said they "started with travel" and moved onto flowers and cars. Both Traverus and YTB are now focusing on selling potions and lotions. YTB is selling home decor, financial services, meat and food, cakes and peanuts, and more. Don't believe it, go click on the links. These MLM companies are only  dedicated to travel as long as they can use it as the sexy lure to recruit new members.


You all received a copy of the petition withnearly 3000 names of travel professionals asking for you to throw your support to the agents who produce for you. If you need a copy of this petition, please send me an email and I will be happy to send it.

Now that 2/3 of the major cruise lines in the world have seen the light and have made the business decision to not deal with the MLM/Card Mill/Pyramid companies, don't you think it might make sense for you to take a look as well?

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36 comments:

  1. Wow! Those are some great points John. Many vendors have dropped YTB, and I believe there are more to come.

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  2. It is economy centric. Travel business is not immune to it.

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  3. "And why do these MLM "agents" need to be continually reminded on how to be professional?"

    And to the suppliers I say, just keep checking back on this blog to see the real "agents" at work. And if you really want to see "professionalism" feel free to check out John and his friends writings on scam.com and the countless other blogs they write on. "Professionalism" at it's best!

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  4. And to the suppliers I say, just keep checking back on this blog to see the real "agents" at work. And if you really want to see "professionalism" feel free to check out John and his friends writings on scam.com and the countless other blogs they write on. "Professionalism" at it's best!

    Sorry to burst your bubble firemedic but there are only a couple of TA's on scam.com. The others are interested parties. And, let's not forget your Bible thumping friends and yourself who constantly bring God into the discussion where God does not belong.

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  5. Real Travel Whatever - There are more than a couple on scam. And if the suppliers want to spend some time checking you guys out over there I am sure they too can figure it out. Please point out where I "constantly" bring God into the discussion. That is just your attempt to deflect (like you accuse others of). And for the record I don't just turn off my values just because the topic is travel. Being a Christian is not something you just turn on and off when it's P.C but I don't believe anyone is "constantly" bringing up God.

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  6. Hey John, why do you think Travel Agent pulled Georges article about your entry today? Think maybe they saw the little boy giving the finger and saw the "professionalism" you brag about? Or maybe the editors looked up some of your other works of art?

    Also curious as to why you didn't have an entry about the Traverus agent that did all that stuff on the cruise you went on in November? If that had been a YTB rep you would have been all over it.

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  7. http://www.travelagentcentral.com/home-based/professional/top-industry-suppliers-warned-support-mlm-12612

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  8. Firemedic - As a supplier rep, I can tell you that the company I work for does not find MLMs fun to work with or professional. Our call center reps hate dealing with inexperienced "agents" and have to take a lot of calls from clients because the RTAs have no idea of how to solve a problem or even attempt to. This applies to all MLMs, not just YTB. Even the YTB "customer service team" refers the client to my employer because they're too damn lazy to work.

    Also on the subject of YTB, we cut off giving them our brochures since YTB turned around and stamped their name on them and charged it's own RTAs for them. Sold them. Sleazy! We also do not allow any MLMers to take our FAMS or attend our trade shows. We ceased attending the YTB functions a fews ago since YTB does not bring in enough business to pay our expense in attending via bookings. We're even listed as one of your preferred suppliers...go figure. YTB's bookings are so far down the scale that I have one and two person agencies that outsell YTB. That's dismal.

    I guess you haven't returned to scam.com and read the YTB thread lately. There are very few TTAs that post. Of course 99% of the YTBers left when they were shot down daily and proven to be in error on nearly everything they said. Even you haven't been back over there to spam the board with your anti-TraVerus website link.

    Now ask me why my employer still does business with YTB or the other MLMs. Greed and stupidity, as far as I'm concerned. I just wish I had a real say in it, but unfortunately I'm just a grunt.

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  9. "Now ask me why my employer still does business with YTB or the other MLMs. Greed and stupidity, as far as I'm concerned. I just wish I had a real say in it, but unfortunately I'm just a grunt."

    Well I truly feel sorry for you Moron. To have no choice (freedom) must really suck. To be SO controlled by your employer must really really suck. The only choice you have is to work for them? They pay you? Yet you put them down behind their back? You DO have a say in it. Quit. You may not like it but you DO have a say in it. Seems you just like playing victim and want someone else to blame for your miseries.

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  10. Firemedic---who are you kidding? THe only reason you are running your mouth is because yo can hide behind relative anonymity. Did you read the tome YTB published about all the "freedoms" you have as an "independent" consultant?

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  11. "To be SO controlled by your employer must really really suck."

    It must suck to be you firemedic then.

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  12. Firemedic - Let me clue you in on something. I'm not some robot suck-up like yourself. I HAVE expressed my opinion several times to the brass and my boss about MLMs. I do like my job and one of my favorite things is being able to expose YTB for what it really is...a SCAM. Of course I cannot do it on their time, but I am able to do it on mine. I don't have to be some newbie wannabe travel agent that recruits to make a dime and fleeces people out of their money and then brags about it. Look in the mirror and smile. You should be proud to help steal from people and profit from it. Asshole.

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  13. I see that both ASTA and ARTA are offering a reprint of this blog piece from the TravelAgent article. Good exposure for/to our industry.

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  14. Great professionalism Moron!

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  15. "Firemedic---who are you kidding? THe only reason you are running your mouth is because yo can hide behind relative anonymity."

    Why is it that you keep bringing that up about me but you say nothing about it when part of your posse is keeping anonymous? Double standard but certainly no surprises.

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  16. I have no control over others. I did not issue a 64 page edict that controls their lives. All I was doing was pointing out that you are only mouthing off as you do (and you do on your blog and elsewhere) because you are relatively sure that you are anonymous. You may be..or you may not be.

    But, right or wrong, I stand by my opinions and my assertions and I am not afraid to stand by those words.

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  17. "firemedic said...Great professionalism Moron!"

    I don't have to be professional on my OWN TIME. Just like you don't have to observe YTB's "can't express or have an opinion" rule. BTW, I just deleted your self-promotion spam posts over on scam.com. Ah yes, see, I enforce the rules and obey them too.

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  18. So professionalism is something you turn on and off when it's convenient No Moron? That's not professionalism. It's hypocrisy.

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  19. From the California Attorney Generals office. Found today.

    NEWS RELEASE

    FROM:
    Amy Cornell, Public Information Officer

    CONTACT PERSON:
    Amy Cornell, Public Information Officer

    DEFENDANTS PLEAD GUILTY TO MILLION DOLLAR TRAVEL AGENCY SCAM

    67-year old Joseph Maloof and 54-year old Ron Hansen both entered guilty pleas in a Santa Clara County courtroom today. The travel agency owners each pled guilty to 13 felony charges related to the embezzlement of more than one million dollars belonging to their travel agency clients during 2004 and 2005. Hansen also admitted a prior felony “strike” conviction. Maloof owned and operated travel agencies known as JM Travel Selections and ITS International Tours, and Hansen owned and operated a travel agency known as International Grand Tours.

    Both defendants are to be sentenced in September, 2008. Maloof faces a maximum of 14 years in prison, and Hansen faces up to 28 years.

    Maloof and Hansen received more than one million dollars from customers for travel services that they never provided, and they failed to make refunds as required by California law. The victims include travel groups making religious pilgrimages, elderly travelers, as well as educational groups of students and teachers.

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  20. John, You have RETRACTED 2 posts in 1 day.
    Did you get hungry and have to eat a few words?
    You can't hide from the RSS news feeds though.

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  21. But No Moron is happy with his job but says this on Scam.

    "It's very frustrating to read this because I have brought the issue up with my employer more than once about MLMs and gave my opinion as to why they should cut them off. BTW, they told me when they hired me and when I was in training that they value our feedback and want our suggestions. Yeah, sure they do and so each time I've brought the issue up, I've received various responses. One was that "the MLMs don't bring in enough business to worry about them" (the company is featured on the YTB site), to "We don't treat them the same way as our traditional agencies," to "We will take their bookings (money) and supply them our product," to "Stop worrying about them," to "You are not to discuss the MLMs with the agents or agencies."

    In other words, as long as they make money off these bottom feeding scumbags with no knowledge of the industry, they'll still take their money. The good things are they do not allow them to attend our trade shows, dinners, receive discounts, or take FAMS. For me personally, it's morally and ethically wrong to accept the bookings and not provide the benefits others receive. They should just show some respect for the agencies and agents that actually sell the product and ban the MLMs. It's the right thing to do. But as with everything, bullshit walks and money talks except in the case of RCCL and a few others that have the gonads to show some honor towards the industry."

    Here's the link in case he erases it.
    http://www.scam.com/showpost.php?p=591997&postcount=8967

    So how can he call those in MLM's scammers yet he is accusing his employer of the same? And he's happy!

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  22. Seems someone from one of those MLMs wrote about it too No Moron.

    http://www.justpictureitnow.com/2008/10/13/behind-closed-doors/

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  23. Nothing nefarious Melvin, but thanks for mentioning it. I was unaware that the Monday post was going to have the legs it did (Travel Agent--2 pieces, ASTA, ARTA, and some others) so it made sense to keep Monday's as the first post.

    The one about Ponzi Schemes will resurface tomorrow complete with the singular comment.

    And it was only one post. I know if you have been drinking the MLM Kool-Aid that you really think 1 equals two, but really it is only 1.

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  24. Firemedic--hopefully you respond to emergency calls faster than you do to news.

    Which part of this sentence did you not understand:

    Both defendants are to be sentenced in September, 2008.

    We have rehashed this before--go to the archives, I believe it was June 2008, maybe May!

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  25. I am just amazed that there are still people defending the travel mlms. If you can't tell by reading the press, message boards, and blogs, the only ones in favor of keeping the travel mlms going are those in it. The rest of the industry wants you gone. And now that there are three states in the investigation, maybe we can put this insanity to an end.

    From my Couples resorts rep- " We used to do those home based shows but quit because all the YTBers would come just to see what they could get for free."

    From AMEX- " We have threatened to charge the MLMs for training. They call in, and they have no idea how to make a reservation, or any idea of geography. It's infurating."

    This may sound harsh, but I don't know how anyone in a travel mlm can defend what you're doing. You don't know jack about travel, and you're perfectly willing to allow the vendor to do all the work for you while you collect commissions. Where's your work ethic?

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  26. Firejerk - Thanks for posting my article from Scam. Just shows that it still applies and how much YTB is a bunch of scumbags. I stand by my statements and sure, it pisses me off that my employer won't cut you weasels off. I guess a buck is buck and when they don't have to put any money into YTB, they can still scrounge a few bucks off the so few bookings you morons place. Do I lose sleep over it? Hardly.

    You're calling me a hypocrite? Now that's hypocritical. Weren't you whining and kicking your feet a few months ago about TraVerus selling vitamins and weight loss products? Your company promotes everything from dildos to diapers. Then there is that slight issue of you disobeying "Coach's" no comment rule. Your website is still up also. Naughty, naughty.

    BTW, how is the YTB recruiting going there in Wichita? Take my advice and start helping your little woman out with her Mary Kay biz. Hell, you might even get a free facial and a pink Caddy to boot. At least she's selling a real product. Jerk.

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  27. kholmes - You should come here and visit the call center for Pleasant Holidays. I have a couple of friends that were TTAs that went to work there. The stories they tell about the RTAs are hysterical. I'd use the term "clueless" but Denyse aka In My Humble Opinion aka rx4funtravel doesn't like to be called clueless.

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  28. firejerk - I forgot to ask, why would I delete my own post which is full of informative and valid comments? I'm not some scared little wussyboi ya know. I'm older than dust and proud of it.

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  29. Oops you got me. That is a new guest blogger who did not know how to schedule. I have a touch of the flu and asked some others to help. It will show up on Thursday.

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  30. See it was NOT the KOOL-AID that made me see double... 8)

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  31. I deleted my comment, so it will stay suspenseful.
    HOOT! HOOT!

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  32. No Moron - I will just allow the character in your words to speak for themselves.

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  33. Firejerk - I could continue to go around and around with you but you're just so damn witty that I can't compete. Duh!

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  34. WHY IS THERE SO MUCH FEAR AMONGST TRAVEL AGENTS ABOUT COMPANIES DOING NETWORK MARKETING?

    BILL CLINTON HAS GIVEN HIS SANCTION TO IT...OBAMA MORE THAN LIKELY WILL DO THE SAME THING...

    SO WHY THE MENTALITY OF A BARREL OF CRAB?

    ISN'T THERE ENOUGH OF THE 7 TRILLION TO GO AROUND?

    C'MON FOLKS - THIS IS CHILDISH AND PATENTLY SCAREMONGERING AND RIDICULOUS...

    TIME FOR THE NAYSAYERS WHO ARE RESISTANT TO CHANGE TO RECOGNIZE THAT IT IS THE 21ST CENTURY...

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