"To protect, serve and promote the effectiveness of member companies and the independent business people they represent. To ensure that the marketing by member companies of products and/or the direct sales opportunity is conducted with the highest level of business ethics and service to consumers."
That is what the mission of the Direct Selling Association claims to be. DSA--you know that organization that lends all the credibility in the world to Network Marketing Companies. Did anyone notice in their mission that the their primary missive is "To protect, serve and promote the effectiveness of member companies." Wow, does not seem like it is too interested in the consumer.
They also have a Code of Ethics to which all members must subscribe. This document is extensive and to be honest not the most clear thing I have ever read. But after reading a few short paragraphs, it became evident to me that several Network Marketing companies with which I am familiar--and one in the travel industry was simply not complying with the code.
So, just what does the DSA do with miscreants among themselves? When I asked, I got the answer I feared--not much. When I initially contacted DSA, asking about companies that do not comply, I was told I would have a response from the legal department in 10 days. Well, 45 days later, a member of their legal department--Dean Heyl. Aside from saying that he could not comment on the specific questions, he directed me to an obscure page on the DSA site that was not readily visible to most. It instructed me on how to file a complaint. In an attempt to actually see the process, I found a page detailing what to expect when you file a complaint. And here is where it becomes evident that the DSA will do nothing for the consumer.
In a nutshell, you follow these steps:
- To protect my anonymity, I am to mail, fax, or electronically send in the complaint to DSA
- Who then passes it on to an Administrator who is not an employee for impartiality
- Who then passes it on to the offending company
- Who then tells the Administrator why they feel their customer is wrong
- Who then sends you a letter saying that the company feels it was not in the wrong and thanks you profusely for using a DSA company.
Now I am not sure how an administrator (while not "employed by" but certainly contracted by the DSA) is impartial. And I am not so sure how my anonymity is insured when my complaint is passed from the mail clerk, to a secretary, to someone else, to the administrator, and finally to the person I am complaining about.
There really is not anonymity or honestly a chance of your complaint going anywhere. They are missioned to protect the companies that pay the exorbitant membership fees to fund their lobbying efforts in Washington. One would imagine that with travel, the annual fee must be substantial since it is such a "high ticket" item. One would imagine that the travel member companies are some of their largest members in terms of membership fees. One wonders if they might not have an "in" with the FTC right now and if that might change in January 2009?
Well, it has finally happened....JOhn has completely lost his mind. He posts the mission statement and then for all to see comments on the first half of the first sentence and says that they don't care about the consumer. Read your own damn post dude...Finish the mission STATEMENT. even though it is a few sentences it is ONE STATEMENT. In that in concludes with...Ready...
ReplyDelete"To ensure that the marketing by member companies of products and/or the direct sales opportunity is conducted with the highest level of business ethics and service to consumers."
You posted it yourself. Looks like the DSA's main missive is to make sure its member companies conduct business with the HIGHEST level of ETHICS to its......ready....CONSUMERS!!!!!
On to point 2....it was nice to see that you admitted to not reading the whole code of ethics. I did. And your implication that YTB is not in compliance is laughable. Point to the part where YTB as a company is not in compliance with ANY of those items in the code of ethics.
On to your next point about what happens with a complaint....you listed 5 "steps" the first 3 happen the next 2 are your opinion. The DSA has kicked companies out. It does the organization no good to keep violating companies in. The impartial administrator talks to the company because DSA shouldn't simply rely on one consumer's complaint, should they? So, they get the other side of the story also and then make a judgment. Tell me the problem with that.
What John would like is for him to contact DSA and say "YTB SUCKS" and the DSA says "ok John, we'll kick them out, thanks for pointint it out."
And of course like usual John closes his blogpost with a conclusion that is entirely opinionated (he freely admits) following his attempt at putting together news. His assumption that companies pay alot so DSA keeps them on board. Again, I submit to you the uselessness of an organization like DSA keeping companies in violation. Remember in order to be a memeber a company has to pass a year long test of meeting the code of ethics. There are many companies that have tried and failed in doing so. YTB isn't one of those.
Hopefully, those independent people that stumble onto this site can see right through it and they get a chance to read some comments.
Who cares if YTB is in compliance with the DSA? It gives them no more credibility than being a member of the BBB or the Chamber of Commerce.
ReplyDeleteThe DSA's main purpose is to fight with the FTC to keep things easier for the mlms to do what they do. Can you show us a list of companies that the DSA has dropped? I'll bet you could easily find a list of political contributions that the DSA has made.
Oh and isn't it interesting that the woman who just competed a 7 year term as head of the FTC was a former defense attorney for Amway??
So, Kate, would you turn down an endorsement by the chamber in your area, or the BBB? I would think you should since you think organizations like that are greasing the palms of government agencies.
ReplyDeleteAs an aside, as an attorney I can tell you this. In my younger clerking days, I worked on many cases in some capacity. Every single one of those my name is in the official court record as an attorney for.....
So, what capacity was the FTC director a defense attorney for amway. Was she simply a staff attorney doing research or was she a lead defense attorney?
It is an important point. But, even with that said, it just feeds your tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theories.
Don't take my word for it. Let's read what the FTC had to say recently.
ReplyDelete"MLM industry commenters suggest limitations on the rule so that would exclude firms that require low registration fees, offer refunds on inventory purchases, are publicly traded, have been in number of years, or are a member of a self regulatory body such as the DSA. However, none of these factors is a determinative of whether a company is, in fact, a pyramid scheme or otherwise engaged in deceptive conduct. Furthermore, the effort to craft a workable rule using these criteria could undermine law enforcement effort if pyramid schemes masquerading as mlms were able to manipulate the corporate structure-as Equinox did-to meet safe harbor provisions while continuing, in fact, to operte a pyramid scheme"
So, as you can see, as far as the FTC is concerned, being publicly traded and a DSA member does not mean that you are not a pyramid scheme.
Aha, but you implied that DSA was paying off the FTC, so which is it?
ReplyDeleteKate,
ReplyDeleteNice job grabbing an older opinion. Here is what the FTC says now......Date: 03/18/2008
FTC Revised Proposed Business Opportunity Rule Narrows Scope to Exclude Direct Sellers
The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) today issued a revised Notice of Proposed Rulemaking regarding the proposed Business Opportunity Rule (Rule) originally promulgated nearly two years ago. The revised proposed Business Opportunity Rule significantly narrows the scope of the original proposal, a change that was strongly recommended by DSA to avoid broadly sweeping legitimate multilevel marketing companies into an “unintended” burdensome regulatory scheme. Most importantly, the FTC has made clear its intent in revising the initial Rule is to exempt legitimate direct selling companies, such as those that are members of the DSA, from the revised Rule. The FTC concluded that the revisions to the initial proposal were necessary to “avoid broadly sweeping in sellers of multilevel marketing opportunities.”
The FTC’s analysis for the revision of the initial Rule recognized DSA’s arguments that the breadth of coverage of the initial Rule would have encompassed legitimate direct selling companies where there is little or no evidence of fraud. Moreover, DSA argued, and the FTC agreed, that the requiements in the initial proposal would have imposed significant burdens on multilevel marketing companies without sufficient countervailing benefits to consumers.
In concluding that a revised Rule was necessary to limit the impact on multilevel marketing companies, the FTC stated “the burdens (of the initial Rule) that would be imposed upon legitimate business operations would not appear to be justified by possible benefits to consumers…the Commission believes that the proposed Rule is too blunt of an instrument to cure fraud in the MLM industry.”
Accordingly, the FTC also concluded that it will continue to use the flexibility inherent in Section 5 of the FTC Act to address individual fraud cases in the MLM industry.
The FTC has requested comments to the proposed revised Rule by May 27, 2008, and rebuttal comments by June 16, 2008. The FTC might hold hearings, or in lieu thereof, workshops, to discuss the issues raised in its Revised Notice of Rulemaking and the comments it receives from the public.
DSA will continue to monitor developments and work with both member companies and the FTC as the process continues. Details of any additional developments will forthcoming.
The complete text of the FTC’s analysis and proposed Notice of Revised Notice of Proposed Rulemaking is set forth http://FTC.gov/os/2008/03/R511993business.pdf
Let's not forget that there was a time about 30 years ago when franchises and franchising as an industry faced similar issues as MLM and direct selling does today.
ReplyDeleteWow! Kate was just shot down like Manfred von Richthofen!
ReplyDeleteI got the info from the same document you got your info from.
ReplyDeleteWhat the DSA doesn't want is for MLMS to have to operate under the business opportunity laws. The entire reason that YTB sells it's "opportunity" for $495, as the FTC will not make them comply with business oppportunity laws unless it's "opportunity" is more than $500. When the FTC tried to lower it to $100 a few years ago, the DSA was in there fighting to protect their members.
So, if YTB is such a great "business" why would it want to avoid compliance with business opportunity laws??
And if you continue to read, they also want a rule that no longer requires companies from having to disclose how many people have dropped out or requested refunds. Oh and how many law suits have been filed against them.
This law obviously would only benefit the companies that are not operating ethicly, and would further allow consumers to be defrauded.
Wanting a rule and actually having one are 2 very different things.
ReplyDeleteThe amended rule as of March 2008 is complete but will be discussed on the 27th. You and John should show up wearing matching tin foil hats and make a statement.
Also, YTB is 449.95 not 495, but I am sure that was just a typo. And yes it is below 500 to comply. If the FTC said it had to be 100, then YTB would figure out a way to comply.
Also, you statement about YTB 'wanting to avoid business compliance laws'? Where did you derive that thought?
You won't find an mlm for more than $500 because they are trying to avoid compliance with biz opp laws. If you are under $500 the FTC won't make you comply with the biz opp laws. This is why when the FTC tried to lower it to $100 the DSA fought it like crazy. The mlms want to tell you about their amazing business opportunity, but don't want to comply with biz opp laws.
ReplyDelete"So, just what does the DSA do with miscreants among themselves? When I asked, I got the answer I feared--not much."
ReplyDeleteHey! Just like PATH!
http://www.pathonline.travel/pdf/Code_of_Ethics_Enforcement_Procedures.pdf
Kate,
ReplyDeleteStick to travel. Your ramblings about biz opp laws are slowly spiraling into illogical oblivion.
You may be able to be JOhn's sidekick in inaccurate blog posting but your lack of knowledge of business and government entities is brightly shining through.
Cheers.
Kate, you're confusing 'biz opp' with 'franchise'.
ReplyDeleteActually, its called "word of mouth".
ReplyDeleteNetwork/multi-level marketing implies recruiting and having a downline.
George do your homework. Kate is correct.
ReplyDeleteWhile the over $500 limit is one of the 3 criteria for determining franchise laws, it's also one of the determining factors in biz opp laws.
If I am sure of nothing else, I am sure that I can't post anything on here without something to back it up. This is from the FTC site:
ReplyDelete"If the business opportunity costs $500 or more, then the promoter must back up the earnings claim in a written document. It should include the earnings claim, as well as the number and percentage of recent clients who have earned at least as much as the promoter suggested. If it's a work-at-home or other business opportunity that involves an investment of under $500, ask the promoter to put the earnings information in writing."
By staying under $500 YTB can state whatever they want without having to offer any real proof, or following any of the other business opportunity rules. Try to find an mlm that you can join that is more than $500. They don't exist.
Well KAte that may be true but YTB makes NO INCOME CLAIMS.
ReplyDeleteThey lay out the comp plan and tell you what you would have to do.
And, the statements about how much one would make based on specific occurrances, is plainly in writing.
View the comp plan.
The consumer feels safer now.
ReplyDeleteDue to crack reporting by Kate Holmes.
YTB is in compliance with the FTC.
YTB is a member of the DSA.
Forget about both of these facts, consumers.
Kate is uncovering the REAL truth.
Digging deep into the bowels of the DSA.
There's something sinister going on here.
She cannot quite put her finger on it.
But she KNOWS it is happening.
Because it is YTB.
YTB . . . that evil company that just gave free cruises to active duty military and pastors.
But remember, folks. Free is not free.
Not even close.
Forget what most people enjoy on a cruise.
YTB is gonna get these people.
They are dead meat.
When they step off that cruise ship, it is over.
Life will never be the same for these poor folks.
Where was the DSA and FTC when we needed them most?
Coach must have paid them off.
The DSA.
Now a house of evil.
Had they just read this blog and the REAL truth about YTB, they could have been saved.
Such a tragedy.
YTB and TRAVEL: A Great Mix!
You got that right Mixed Up!
ReplyDeleteHave you signed up for travel training classes yet?
"...he directed me to an obscure page on the DSA site that was not readily visible to most."
ReplyDeleteYou mean the page under the 'Code of Ethics' tab on the DSA home page? Are you blind, or computer illiterate? Move your cursor over the words "CODE OF ETHICS" (right under the words "ETHICS, TRUST, CONFIDENCE"), then left click on your mouse (That thingy with the little wire connected to your computer that you move around to make the arrow on your screen move). On the left side of the page there is a list of five titles, the last one being "FILING A CODE COMPLAINT". Move your little cursor over those words, left click, and viola! everything you need to know about filing a complaint! Not so obscure, eh, Spinmeister?
Kidding aside, what specific violations of the DSA Code of Ethics is YTB violating, in your opinion?
YTB and TRAVEL: What an Acehole said...The DSA.
ReplyDeleteNow a house of evil.
Of course it is. You have to pay to be a member. It promotes direct marketing. That is similar to telemarketing which is why they developed the Do Not Call List. The DSA could care less about the consumer and more about the money they take in. That's just like YTB. Big surprise!
Free cruise! No, they couldn't sell the cabins so rather than take a loss, they can do a tax write-off and lose nothing. If you don't think this is YTB's motive, you're nuts. YTB has never given anything away.
All the junk posted by YTB and Travel: A great mix! should be taken into account. Anonoymity equals cowardice and the jerk has yet to answer any question posed. Who are you, what is your website? Deflect and put the questions back upon us, right?
YTB and TRAVEL: No real travel involved.
YTB makes no income claims my ass!
ReplyDeleteThey're all over the internet.
They may not be stated in the comp plan, but they are made every day by people trying to recruit for their downline. If you notice the recruiting videos are very carefully planned to not name any specific amounts. But if you look at the stuff that the reps are using to recruit they are filled with specific dollar amounts.
Again I challenge you to find an mlm that has more than a $500 fee to participate. You won't find one because despite the fact they claim to be a wonderful opportunity, they don't want the FTC or the states to make them comply with business opportunity laws.
Kate said.."it becomes evident that the DSA will do nothing for the consumer."
ReplyDeleteYou're loosing credibility Kate especially when you misrepresent the DSA through your nut shell talking points. I'm here to expose you point by point.
#1 Kate said, "In a nutshell, you follow these steps:
To protect my anonymity, I am to mail, fax, or electronically send in the complaint to DSA"
Wrong Kate. The transmittal methods are not mentioned as the reason to protect ones anonymity.
Instead, the DSA clearly states..
"Complaints are not reviewed by DSA staff, but are instead immediately forwarded to DSA’s Code Administrator. This is to protect your anonymity and privacy..."
#2 "Who then passes it on to an Administrator who is not an employee for impartiality"
Or, most importantly, is not .."affiliated with any member company."
#3 "Who then passes it on to the offending company"
There is more to it then that as, .."he will contact the company in question to determine if a breach has occurred."
#4 "Who then tells the Administrator why they feel their customer is wrong"
Not true. Where is that stated?
#5 "Who then sends you a letter saying that the company feels it was not in the wrong and thanks you profusely for using a DSA company."
You're not being truthful here Kate. That's a blatant outright fabrication of the facts. The truth IS....
"After speaking with the company, the Code Administrator will send you a letter, outlining his assessment of your complaint and determining the proper remedy.."
Notice how Kate conveniently leaves out the last part, #6.
"Within 30 days of the Code Administrator’s letter, you should be contacted by the company which, as a DSA member, must abide by the Code Administrator’s decision."
Kate said.."it becomes evident that the DSA will do nothing for the consumer."
Please don't leave it up to someone who pulls bunk out of their nut shell. Go to the source..in this case the DSA's own words for the truth.
OleScorekeeper
Signed up for any training classes yet,Ole?
ReplyDeleteOlecrotchkeeper - I just read that you were once an inmate behind the Big Wall. Do you still keep in contact with your roomies and are you the one that wore panties? Well, are ya punk, are ya?
ReplyDeleteThe jailbird won't answer because it's a direct question. Someone please clue us in. Inquiring minds want to know just as we want to know how his travel agent screwed up his trip to Leavenworth.
Some Insight On The DSA
ReplyDeleteHey Kate. If you're not ashamed of it, why not put your name to it? Some here think JF wrote today's piece of misinformation. Just a suggestion.
OleScorekeeper
Typical spin by Kate and John.
ReplyDeleteJust looking for another headline.
"Caught" as usual on this one.
Much ado about nothing.
Martha -
Check yourself back into rehab. You are losing it, woman.
Yes, the anonymous Martha.
Eddie -
How many times go you have to hear it to realize that we are not YOU.
And absolutely have no desire to be YOU.
I am way beyond that.
I have a whole new impression of TTAs.
Didn't realize there was such misery amongst the ranks.
Here you go . . .
I have completed both Marc Mancini modules.
I went to Funshine in Florida.
Numerous CLIA classes.
Went to the Richmond training.
But guess what . . .
I did not need a bit of it to do what I am doing today.
I don't sit in the cubicle waiting in the next phone call like you.
Or sit in the local bar waiting for the next phone call like the lovely Martha.
Very happy with what I am doing.
Just like to stop by to keep the cackling hens honest 2-3 times a day . . .
Who don't have a clue about YTB.
And that is a challenge.
YTB and TRAVEL: A Great Mix!
Interesting...wonder what's happening here in the US?
ReplyDeleteEurope Warns Air Tix Consumers
Thu May 15 2008, by Carol Eannarino
One-third of customers buying plane tickets online are being ripped off or misled, the European Commission has warned, as it revealed results of a mid-term report on an enforcement investigation (called a "sweep") involving 15 EU national authorities as well as Norway.
The Web site search didn't include the UK, which had already conducted its own tracking of airline ticket Web sites last year.
That sweep ultimately resulted in the UK Office of Fair Trading taking action last summer against 13 airlines that did not include all fixed, "non-optional" costs, such as taxes, in prices on their Web sites.
The mid-term Commission report turned up "serious and persistent" consumer problems involving hundreds of ticket-selling Web sites throughout the airline industry, which also included tour operators.
The Commission is halfway through an investigation that has so far resulted in action against 137 out of 386 Web sites checked in a "sweep" search last September, when national authorities also scanned airline and travel agency sites for misleading advertising.
One in three - 137 out of 386 sites monitored - contained information "breaching rules on clear pricing, availability of offers and clear contract terms."
Seven months later, about 50% of those sites have corrected their Web site information, according to the report.
Calling the results "unacceptable," EU Consumer Commissioner Meglena Kuneva said, "This report shows there are serious and persistent problems with ticket sales throughout the airline industry as a whole. I intend to work with member states to do everything possible to wrap up this investigation by May 1 next year."
She added, "My message to industry is clear - act now or we will act."
The report shows that 58% of Web site irregularities involved breaking down the total ticket price to give the impression of a cheap fare without added charges that Kuneva said "vary from so-called 'airport charges' to handling fees, booking fees or charges related to credit card payments, priority booking, luggage, fuel, etc."
Another problem is the lack of availability of seats at the advertised fare, even when the advertised price is accurate.
The Commission said 79 Web sites remain under investigation for advertising misleading prices, 21 because of problems of the lack of availability of the advertised offers, and 67 for unfair contract terms - a total of 137 Web sites in all, because some sites are in breach of more than one of the rules.
Those sites under investigation represent about 80 companies - including "large brand" names and "lesser known" companies - none of which the Commission said it can currently name, due to differing legal constraints in some of the member states involved in the inquiries.
Only Norway and Sweden were able to publish the names of the offending airlines.
Ryanair - Europe's largest low-cost carrier - was named by both, while Norway cited Finland's Blue 1 and Austrian Airlines. Swedish regulators are taking action against 12 travel Web sites.
The Commissioner said that enforcement has now being accelerated, with a final report due in a year:
Updates will be posted on the Commissions' consumer affairs Web site http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/index_en.htm.
I did not write todays article. John wrote it. However I have NO issue claiming anything that I have written, and unlike many others have no issue putting my REAL name on my posts and articles. Perhaps Mr. Scorekeeper you would like to man up and do the same??
ReplyDeleteI did post the topic today---for those that are literate, it says my name at the bottom---posted by John. If it was Kate who posted it would say (hang on this might be a surprise)Posted by Travel Temptress. I also wrote the one for tomorrow and they were all written last weekend and (warning big word coming up so I will say it slowly for you) s c h e d u l e d in advance.
ReplyDeleteNow as to the violations of the Code of Ethics. I will ist the violations that I feel:
\1.No member company of the Association shall engage in any deceptive, unlawful or unethical consumer or recruiting practice. Member companies shall ensure that no statements, promises or testimonials are made which are likely to mislead consumers or prospective salespeople.
2. A written order or receipt shall be delivered to the customer at the time of sale, which sets forth in language that is clear and free of ambiguity:
a. All the terms and conditions of sale, with specification of the total amount the customer will be required to pay, including all interest, service charges and fees, and other costs and expenses as required by federal and state law;
b. The name and address of the salesperson or the member firm represented. (not a toll free number to the supplier)
3. For the purpose of this Code, pyramid or endless chain schemes shall be considered consumer transactions actionable under this Code. The Code Administrator shall determine whether such pyramid or endless chain schemes constitute a violation of this Code in accordance with applicable federal, state and/or local law or regulation.
6. The definition of an "illegal pyramid" is based upon existing standards of law as reflected in In the matter of Amway, 93 FTC 618 (1979) and the anti-pyramid laws of Kentucky, Louisiana, Montana, Oklahoma, and Texas. In accordance with these laws, member companies shall remunerate direct sellers primarily on the basis of sales of products, including services, purchased by any person for actual use or consumption. Such remuneration may include compensation based on sales to individual direct sellers for their own actual use or consumption. (you are remunerating Reps for not selling ANY products)
4. No member company shall misrepresent the actual or potential sales or earnings of its independent salespeople. Any earnings or sales representations that are made by member companies shall be based on documented facts.
Kate
ReplyDeleteThat aint gonna happen. They love to hid behind their keyboards with their anon posts. They refuse to answer any sort of valid travel questions, because they know nothing about travel. Majority haven't had one iota of training, nor do they care. I'm sure MOST of them couldnt tell you the difference between MCO and MCO, a format on any GDS system, or what the proper exchange rules are for an airline ticket. But they all feel since they own a cheesy cookie cutter website, that they are travel agents and thus deserve all perks that go with the title.
I've honestly given up arguing about it, they proclaim that they are going to be the "top" online agency..thats laughable at best. They think that the internet is going to put us "dinosaurs" out of business. Again hysterical. I want the Rta's to go to training, maybe then they will see the light and get a real job.
As far as I'm concerned, Kate Holmes is just a AKA. If you are real and a respected TTA, why can't we Google you? Maybe you need to woman up.
ReplyDeleteOleScorekeeper
TravelLisa said...
ReplyDelete"Kate
That aint gonna happen. They love to hid behind their keyboards with their anon posts."
Hey Kate, TravelLisa once told us that's not her real name. Maybe she needs to "woman up" too!
OleScorekeeper ;>)
John said..."I did post the topic today---for those that are literate, it says my name at the bottom---posted by John. If it was Kate who posted it would say (hang on this might be a surprise)Posted by Travel Temptress."
ReplyDeleteSorry about that. I just thought you gave Travel Temp the keys to the blog. As far as I know she hasn't unvailed herself as a blogger here.
OleScorekeeper
Anon - YTB doesn't have access to most (any) of those carriers so they don;t have to worry. They already over charge the pax for European flights but they are up front about it.
ReplyDeleteGlad to know Mixed Up doesn't care about professionalism in travel sales. We knew that anyway, but thanks for admitting it. He remains a website salesman.
eddie
ReplyDeletetravellisa
ytbscam
martha
CTC in MD
Now we are talking REAL identity.
REAL information.
Nothing anonymous about those names!
That's enough information for me to get your phone number, email address and home address.
Thanks for being so revealing as to your REAL identity.
Sorry I have not been as forthcoming as all of you.
JF -
Glad to see that you can cut and paste.
YTB and TRAVEL: A Great Mix!
Hey you asked point blank which areas I felt YTB was in violation of..
ReplyDeleteI tried to file a complaint with DSA and got NO response. Even after 6 times. I just gave up.
ReplyDeleteAnon---if you did file a complaint, for some reason it does not surprise me. The process seems great until they send it to the offending company. Then it dies in the water. What are they gonna do, kick out a dues paying member for not writing back?
ReplyDeleteALl a member would need to do is say I disagree and do not believe we did that nor are we in violation---case closed.
Now if they referred it to a binding arbitrator it woud be a different story. But they are hiring the "administrator" and paying them--ok so they are not an "employee" but one does not bite the hand that feeds them.
Ever try to sue Disney? They retain nearly 10,000 attorneys in FL specifically to create a conflict of interest if anyone sues them. So if someone does sue them the only available attorney will be thru prepaid legal.
And what attorney would not accept $5K a year to be retained by Disney and be able to list Disney as a client?
I know Oles attorney would not want that--he does not charge any fees.
"I tried to file a complaint with DSA and got NO response. Even after 6 times. I just gave up."
ReplyDeleteWas that you, Rod??
"As far as I'm concerned, Kate Holmes is just a AKA. If you are real and a respected TTA, why can't we Google you? Maybe you need to woman up.
ReplyDeleteOleScorekeeper"
Well, Ole why can't we google you? Give us your name you coward? I didn't think so. FYI, you idiot some of us TTA's have acutally been threatened by YTB. Do you blame us for being anonymous? YTB recruits kooks, nutcases and jailbirds.
"FYI, you idiot some of us TTA's have acutally been threatened by YTB."
ReplyDeleteNow I have heard it all.
Conspiracy theorists amongst the TTA ranks!
Speaking of kooks and nutcases.
Get a life, Sandy.
Whoops . . . that sounds like a threat.
YTB and TRAVEL: A Great Mix!
Doug--I cannot speak for the other poster, but I was told by someone in another MLM (not YTB) that if he ever saw me at a trade show he was going to kick my ass and he had y picture to know who I was.
ReplyDeleteYour internet inventor EAB threatened me in an email and also called my home in the middle of my night and screamed asshole and slammed down the phone.
I have received other vaguely intimidating emails so it is not out of the realm of possibility.
I also know that EAB physically threatened Mark Ewing on his voicemail--EAB is not smart enough to realize voicemail and caller ID tends to be incriminating.
So just take it for what it is worth.
John -
ReplyDeleteThis is not Doug, by the way.
EAB is a nutcase.
It was obvious from the first video.
But he is certainly not your average YTB RTA.
I have a few hundred on my Team.
Not saying I don't have 3-4 unusual people.
Most are just regular people.
Being anonymous is the lifeblood of the blogosphere.
I don't think your average TTA has too much to worry about.
YTB and TRAVEL: A Great Mix!
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteJohn -
This is not Doug, by the way.
mmmm ok
Check the internet provider.
ReplyDeleteDon't think my provider here in the Midwest is available down in GA.
As I have said previously, though . . .
I do like Doug.
YTB and TRAVEL: A Great Mix!
Lisa is as good as my full name, its the name I use in my everyday life. I even had a picture up at one time, only to be made fun of by the children. I don't hide behind a keyboard, you have questions ask away. If you think I'm afraid of some stalker kool-aid kooks showing up at my house or threatenin me/my family...ummmm nope. I live in the country, I have a shotgun :) LOL
ReplyDeleteSo what exactly do you want to know
"EAB is a nutcase."
ReplyDeleteWell, there you go.
CTA in MD