An update was announced in the October 24th YTB Biz report on the status of the Leadership Bonus incentive that started in August for 305,000 Reps and 138,000 RTAs.
“Additional compensation of 50% match or $2500 if you can earn 5 Leadership Bonuses between Aug-Nov, payable in December. “
The sad part of the announcement is that only 25 out of 305,000 have qualified for this bonus, or if you prefer 25 out of the 18,000 from the conference. In either case, that is a pretty poor showing.
“Additional compensation of 50% match or $2500 if you can earn 5 Leadership Bonuses between Aug-Nov, payable in December. “
The sad part of the announcement is that only 25 out of 305,000 have qualified for this bonus, or if you prefer 25 out of the 18,000 from the conference. In either case, that is a pretty poor showing.
Notably absent from the report are the following names:
- Gail Walker
- Regina Osei
- Denyse Turner
- Doug Bauknight
- Rod Ward
- Candi May
- Danielle Mangum
That is interesting. Maybe they were too busy working on their fancy blogs.
ReplyDeleteWell Lisa, there are notably three reasons for my name being absent:
ReplyDelete1. My name is NOT Denyse McIntyre
2. As stated numerous times, recruiting is not my focus - travel is.
3. For the past year - Oct 07 to Oct 08, MY focus was my mother, who lived in another state. That included the Aug - Nov period.
Have a great day!
I am pretty sure that Doug's focus is not on recruiting also. Lisa assumes that everyone she listed is focused on recruiting.
ReplyDeleteYou know what they say when you ASS U ME???? Shame!
ReplyDeleteI didn't assume anything, those are the names I know, sorry If I got yours wrong Denyse, it was given to me that way.
ReplyDeleteThe point is..only 25 people out of HOW MANY actually were able to make the bonus so far.
Doug does not know diddly about travel. And, Denyse if you are serious find another host.
ReplyDeletedougs whole blog is about recruiting! Just because he's lousy at it doesn't mean he's not trying!
ReplyDeleteI'll try here...What bonus's and awards does YTB give for selling travel? Not recruiting - just selling a good amount of travel. Denyse may be the only one in YTB that gets one but what is it?
ReplyDeleteEddie,
ReplyDeleteQUickly off the top of my head. If you earn $5,000 in travel comissions in your first 12 months, YTB will give you a $5,000 matching bonus.
If you earn $24,000 in travel comissions you get FREE health insurance and it isn't the limited coverage available to all RTAs, it is the PPO with blue cross/blue shield
Need to add that the 24k is in a 12 month period
ReplyDeleteTravel Lisa said...
ReplyDeleteI didn't assume anything, those are the names I know, sorry If I got yours wrong Denyse, it was given to me that way.
You need to find another source for your info. Gail's name isn't King either.
LOL point taken Denyse..I will go yell at my source. My apologizes for the incorrect names.
ReplyDelete"Doug does not know diddly about travel."
ReplyDeleteLol! Well, for someone who doesn't "know diddly" he sure has a nice honeymoon niche going on. I would also bet the person signing his commission checks would disagree. I would guess that neither Doug's esteem nor his paycheck matters on what your opinion is of him.
So how many bonus's have you gotten Fireman?
ReplyDeleteFrom what Denyse tells us she has gotten some. Is she the only one out of 112,700.? YTB sure doesn't splash their names around to fire up the masses do they? I wonder where the bonus money comes from? Recruiting?
Thanks for the info.
"he sure has a nice honeymoon niche going on."
ReplyDeleteHow did you determine that?
I haven't earned any of the travel bonuses.
ReplyDelete"I wonder where the bonus money comes from? Recruiting?"
As far as I know, bonus money for marketing comes from the marketing sales and the bonuses for travel comes from travel sales.
Ah, so recruiting is your bag....that extra 1500.00 a month for your family isn't coming from YTBs only product.
ReplyDelete"Ah, so recruiting is your bag....that extra 1500.00 a month for your family isn't coming from YTBs only product."
ReplyDeleteWhat are you talking about eddie?
Sorry to confuse you....early on I believe you said you earned an extra 1500.00 a month from YTB. If that were travel sales, you would have had a bonus so it must be recruiting? Or am I mistaken and you have not been with YTB a year yet and are expecting the bonus some time soon?
ReplyDeleteYou must have me confused with someone else.
ReplyDeleteMaybe I have. Sorry you are not doing well at the game.
ReplyDeleteSo I guess no comment or answer as to why the numbers are so poor for this bonus? Has recruiting hit a wall, has the "blitzing" not been working out so well?
ReplyDelete(aside from Denyse because I know about your mom and I did express my condolences).
firemedic said...
ReplyDelete"Doug does not know diddly about travel."
Lol! Well, for someone who doesn't "know diddly" he sure has a nice honeymoon niche going on. I would also bet the person signing his commission checks would disagree. I would guess that neither Doug's esteem nor his paycheck matters on what your opinion is of him."
And pray tell, where is your proof since you are constantly demanding proof of everyone else on here. You have none do you? Have you ever seen Doug's checks in person?
Why you are mentioning Doug's esteem (wtf??? lol) and his paychecks, which have nothing to do of why people have the opinion that they do of Doug. His paychecks and "esteem" are not the issues with Doug, nor has anyone ever claimed on here that what he earns (if he even earns anything) or his esteem are an issue. Confused much?
"So I guess no comment or answer as to why the numbers are so poor for this bonus? Has recruiting hit a wall, has the "blitzing" not been working out so well?"
ReplyDeleteLisa, is this the best you can come up with? Is this just one of your smoking guns? Your whole post is really weak today. One of the main contentions is that we are "not about travel" yet you are jumping on a recruiting bonus. The promotion is not even over yet but as to whether or not someone chooses to participate means nothing like you think it does.
Anon - No the issue was not about Doug's esteem but AT's blurb about Doug knowing "diddly" about travel was certainly not meant as a compliment. With that said I know Doug well enough to know he was not concerned about AT's comment.
ReplyDeleteI have no "proof" as to what Doug makes from his honeymoon packages other than what he has told me. I have not personally seen his paycheck nor do I feel I need to. I am sure that just for the mere fact that anyone associated with YTB is a liar and a scammer, you will choose to disbelieve it and quite frankly don't care Anon. I have no reason to disbelieve him. I feel the same way about Doug as Steve Mencik feels about John. I find him to be honest.
How did the topic veer so far off the road?
ReplyDeleteHow is it that while so many claim to be doing so well, that only 25 people earned the bonus? And how is it that so many of those who have been proud to post over here about their huge earnings are not on the list?
*Gasp*,maybe because they are lying? Imagine that.
ReplyDeleteBut you know people in and from YTB tell nothing but the truth, no matter what the numbers say.
"Lol! Well, for someone who doesn't "know diddly" he sure has a nice honeymoon niche going on. I would also bet the person signing his commission checks would disagree. I would guess that neither Doug's esteem nor his paycheck matters on what your opinion is of him."
ReplyDeleteWell now we know who firemedic is. He is Doug. Because no one but Doug would know this. ROTFLMAO at you Doug or should I say firemedic. I KNEW there was no way in H*** you were a fireman.....
Ok, so the fact that many proclaim to be making millions in YTB, and thats obviously not from selling travel from the SEC reports, are making it from recruiting. Yet a simple recruiting bonus is only being made by 25 people (so far) out of how many?
ReplyDeleteFire..again either answer or don't. I do not care if you think this blog post is boring, a smoking gun or what not. Its ok for YTB to blast the crappy numbers out in their Biz Report, but its not ok for us to post how poorly they are doing over here.
Yes, we believe that recruiting into the industry IN THIS WAY is not the best for travel. Recruiting people who know nothing is not going to make you a stronger travel company. But it seems it may be harder to recruit when you lose IATAN, are being looked at by the AG, have very negative press, and have FORMER members of the company forming a class action.
Are people beginning to see the company for what its really worth? That MAJORITY do not make money in selling travel, that all the tax discounts touted are not all that legit, that the only way to truly make millions is to be a REP with a huge following. Maybe some of you make an extra $1k a month or so, but thats definitely not enough to quit your J.O.B and fire your boss like many proclaim. Unless of course you live in the middle of nowhere, in your paid for trailer, grow your own food, have no medical bills or kids to raise, and have no social life.
WOW!!! Shouting people out like that!! I'm glad my name IS on the list.
ReplyDeleteAnd you talk about recruiting people IN THAT WAY. EVERYONE who comes into this industry through a TTA is widely experienced???? I think not. They are recruited as well (whether they come to you or not), they don't know crap, but they're willing to learn. Now you have to take the odds of numbers into consideration, meaning maybe YTB has less people who become a part of the company and move to educate themselves because they have more people than the traditional TTA.
It's funny - I'm listening to a Carnival Call now and our BDM says this a great company and is a pleasure to work with. I know, I know, she's getting paid. And because last year, we sold more cabins and vacation certs that anyone else in the industry.
"Well now we know who firemedic is. He is Doug. Because no one but Doug would know this. ROTFLMAO at you Doug or should I say firemedic. I KNEW there was no way in H*** you were a fireman....."
ReplyDeleteLol! You just keep believing that Kit. That's hilarious.
P.I.O.T.B. here. Yakki, Yakki, Yakki,tisk tisk. YTB did not sell more cruises to Carnival than anyone else in the Industry. Do you just make this crap up and expect people to believe it? Where is YTB's Pinnacle Award??? Oh wait....they did not achieve and earn one did they??? Do you really think that YTB sells more cruises than say Carlson, Orbitz, Interval, Cruise Planners or even AAA etc.,??? Cripes!! How misinformed are you???
ReplyDeleteFrom your post you obviously have no clue how a new person with no or little experience) is mentored, supervised and trained when they come into any agency do you??? Do you think they are just thrown out there with customers, call themselves a Travel Agent and start working?? ROTFL!
"Ok, so the fact that many proclaim to be making millions in YTB, and thats obviously not from selling travel from the SEC reports, are making it from recruiting. Yet a simple recruiting bonus is only being made by 25 people (so far) out of how many?"
ReplyDeleteFirst of all I have not seen the "so many" you are talking about stating they are making "millions". Personally I think it's another exaggerated claim just like when you used the "majority" word, but that's okay. That just seems to be your MO. Second of all, you assume the question that since only 25, to the Oct.24 date, somehow means that it is proof to all of your other assumptions. I don't see it that way. I just see it as, well, nothing really at all.
See Lisa, the fact is that as of that date there were only 25 people listed as having earned that bonus. Again, fact. Now there is a huge difference between facts and MEANINGS. You've attached a meaning to that fact that it is somehow negative. Someone else may attach a meaning that it means nothing. The next person may attach a meaning that it's positive. Who's wrong? NOBODY! Why? Because they are all made up. But because you want to be right about your opinion of YTB, you WANT others to agree with you in that it's negative. You just choose to attach a meaning that serves your interest and someone may choose to attach a meaning that serves theirs. Neither is wrong.
"Yes, we believe that recruiting into the industry IN THIS WAY is not the best for travel. Recruiting people who know nothing is not going to make you a stronger travel company. But it seems it may be harder to recruit when you lose IATAN, are being looked at by the AG, have very negative press, and have FORMER members of the company forming a class action."
Recruiting people "in this way" is the same stuff that the insurance industry said about A.L. Williams. It didn't stop them from becoming the number one seller of their product. The people that got started were ridiculed, called names, labeled as unprofessional, ....... See, it's the same story again. And some of those people that went through that scenario are playing again, so this is not their first rodeo.
I will concede that it has been harder to build since the lawsuits, IATAN, and the bad press. No doubt about it. And many quit because of it. Same thing happened in A.L. Williams. But....those that weathered the storm all went on to become successful. Those of us with YTB see far beyond what the naysayers see. We don't look at what's around us (and it has been tough) and run away.
"Are people beginning to see the company for what its really worth? That MAJORITY do not make money in selling travel, that all the tax discounts touted are not all that legit, that the only way to truly make millions is to be a REP with a huge following. Maybe some of you make an extra $1k a month or so, but thats definitely not enough to quit your J.O.B and fire your boss like many proclaim. Unless of course you live in the middle of nowhere, in your paid for trailer, grow your own food, have no medical bills or kids to raise, and have no social life."
Again, Lisa, you beg the question that everyone that joins YTB somehow wants to "earn millions" and and quit their JOB and such. And then go on to assume that if one doesn't then "they live in the middle of nowhere in a trailer". How ridiculous. It's black and white according to your posting. Should I assume that every TTA that gets started has the ambition to do the same? And your "tax deduction" argument is lame. Tell us what illegitimate tax deductions are touted.
"P.I.O.T.B. here. Yakki, Yakki, Yakki,tisk tisk. YTB did not sell more cruises to Carnival than anyone else in the Industry. "
ReplyDeleteI am guessing that Jakki meant anyone else in the travel mlm industry.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteP.I.O.T.B. here. Yakki, Yakki, Yakki,tisk tisk. YTB did not sell more cruises to Carnival than anyone else in the Industry. Do you just make this crap up and expect people to believe it? Where is YTB's Pinnacle Award??? Oh wait....they did not achieve and earn one did they??? Do you really think that YTB sells more cruises than say Carlson, Orbitz, Interval, Cruise Planners or even AAA etc.,??? Cripes!! How misinformed are you???
From your post you obviously have no clue how a new person with no or little experience) is mentored, supervised and trained when they come into any agency do you??? Do you think they are just thrown out there with customers, call themselves a Travel Agent and start working?? ROTFL!
IF that's a lie, ANONYMOUS, the BDM just told it. I didn't make it up.
And no, I don't think they're just thrown out there. I would hope they're mentored. Just as we are.
firemedic said...
ReplyDelete"P.I.O.T.B. here. Yakki, Yakki, Yakki,tisk tisk. YTB did not sell more cruises to Carnival than anyone else in the Industry. "
I am guessing that Jakki meant anyone else in the travel mlm industry.
CORRECT.
Hmmmm....spend time during the week trying to make people see things they REFUSE to see AND my Saturday too??? Oh heck no!!! LOL
ReplyDeleteThey're gonna have their own opinions anyway. Have a great Saturday all!! Even if it IS here....lol
Jakki many people who enter the industry go to college and complete a degree or certificate program in travel&tourism. You learn lots of neat stuff like geography,gds, ticketing, marketing, etc.
ReplyDeleteWith YTB you just have to have a pulse and $495 dollars. And before you try to defend it, I think we still have Traveling Mom as living proof that YTB will take anyone.
You see Jakki, contrary to what your upline led you to believe, travel involves much more than just being able to click a mouse, or making a snazzy blog. You are in the recruiting business. I am in the travel business. Those are two different things.
Jakki-Funny, my Carnival BDM said the exact opposite when asked. Please post your Carnival's BDM's name so we can ASK them about your sales.
ReplyDeleteNo one in ytb is going to answer the question because they're all so involved in selling travel. None of them recruit, and that's why no one has made the bonus. Right. What a crock of doody.
ReplyDeleteJackie, most people that enter the industry do as kholmes said, they go to school, not just pay someone money for a website and instantly become a travel agent. Barring attending school, they do an internship at an agency.
The ytb Carnival BDM is of course going to be a cheerleader for ytb because her paycheck is contigent on what ytb sells, and since ytb can't sell RCI, they sell CCL, hence she gets a bigger paycheck.
Firemedic is definetly not Dougie. Dougie is in ATL, and FM is in the STL area. That's why he thinks he knows so much about what goes on in Wood River, because he's over there up their butts as often as he can get away from the fire house. He wants everyone to believe that he is "in" with the bigwigs at ytb, but it's been shown that he isn't, when he can't even set up a simple business appointment between me and the old fart in MSY a couple of weeks ago.
I'm also starting to question all this time that DT says she was spending tending to a family member, as she had time to attend functions in Ohio and Funshine when this family member was so near death's door, as evidenced by her postings on WAHM.