Ever since YTB started selling off some of their assets, people have been wondering if they have been doing it because they are in need of “quick” cash. They have sold some real estate at a loss of $350,000 and are selling their much touted jet that has been owned for less than a year for a loss of $400,000. Sounds to me like they’re trying to pump up their cash on hand before the end of year report comes out.
Now, this past weekend, the 3Q report was released, and as expected, it wasn’t that great. Granted, there was a profit made, but not that much of one. $287,999 for 3 months. With a sales force of just over 114,000 people. That averages out to $2.51 per person. Now, I know all the arguments…..not everyone sells (well, get rid of the deadwood and stop propping up the sales force figures), the economy is bad (but doesn’t YTB advertise itself as recession proof?), etc. For YTD, the company is in the RED $3,429,229. If this past quarter is indicative, one has to wonder if 4th quarter earnings will be enough to turn that red number to black.
This brings us to the question of selling off more assets to raise more capital. The company itself has said that they are evaluating the possibility of this, along with other measures to try to stop the bleeding. Of course, those on the pro YTB side don’t want to believe that this could possibly be, and have questioned whether this information is factual, or just a figment of our collective imaginations. Well, my friends, I hate to tell you, but it is factual. It says so, right in the report, despite all those saying that it has yet to be found.
I found it. Quite easily, I might add, if one were to read the entire 10Q, and not just what is found on Yahoo Finance. It is on Page 9, in the Notes To Condensed Consolidated Financial Statements, Note 2. Paragraph 8, which deals with the incurred losses, and how the company plans on counteracting the losses. They talk about how the company has instituted a cost reduction program and more efficient management techniques. The 3rd to last sentence says:
"The company is also evaluating the sale of certain non-core assets and raising new capital for future operations."Paragraph 8 goes on to say:
"However, there can be no assurance that the Company will be successful in achieving its objectives."
Paragraph 9 is interesting as well. It states (emphasis is mine):
"The accompanying financial statements have been prepared assuming that the Company will continue as a going concern, which contemplates the realization of assets and the satisfaction of liabilities in the normal course of business. Our ability to continue as a going concern is substantially dependant on the successful execution of many of the actions referred to above, on the timeline contemplated by our plan. The financial statements do not include any adjustments to reflect the possible future effects on the recoverability and reclassification of assets or the amounts and classifications of liabilities that may result should the Company be unable to continue as a going concern."
Of the "actions referred to above", they state that they have already instituted them (the reduction in labor and fringe costs, reduction of discretionary expenditures, more efficient management techniques), so the only thing left for them to do is to sell assets.
Have you ever read a 10Q for any other companies Ainsworth? Every company that is publicly traded and accountable to stockholders have to put in what the risks and management tactics are for every report. Selling non-essential assets seems to be the right thing to me. It's no secret that YTB numbers are down but it's also the trend of many companies.
ReplyDeleteI saw on Fox news last night the the execs of the three big banks flew to congress to ask for bailout money in their private jets and now they are getting blasted for it. YTB is neither asking for a bailout and selling the jet.
I don't think you have the evidence here that you thought you did. Just like you guys do all the time, you read more into something to make it mean what you wanted it to mean. Nice try though.
First off it is not banks that are looking for a handout it is the auto industry. Good to see you are up on the world of finance and the status of this recession.
ReplyDeleteSecondly, you are correct. Many are looking at selling assets to raise cash. And they freely admit that. However, Doug Baughknight said that YTB said no such thing and Ainsworth pointed it out that it is indeed in writing:
"The company is also evaluating the sale of certain non-core assets and raising new capital for future operations."
FYI, since you seem to be a bit slow on the finance end, the word "capital" means money
"I saw on Fox news last night the the execs of the three big banks flew to congress to ask for bailout money in their private jets and now they are getting blasted for it."
ReplyDeleteHey Anonymous get your freakin facts straight. It wasn't the banks! It was the automakers! AND, it was lots of jets. Not only that they were basically turned down because they didn't have a plan to spend the bail out money much like YTB doesn't have a plan. You people really can't get your facts straight. ROTFLMAO~
Anonymous--are you atypical of the intelligence level of the average YTB REP/RTA? You truly amaze me that you have NO clue what you're talking about, while trying to bash me.
ReplyDeleteAs John said, it was the CEO's of the big 3 auto makers, Ford, GM, and Chrysler, that went before Congress asking for money, not the heads of banking institutions.
Yes, the jet HAS been sold. Maybe you need to make a phone call this morning to either your upline or to Wood River and find out. Isn't it astounding that I know more about what is going on with YOUR company than you do?
Next, the reason that I wrote this particular column is that in the comment section of yesterdays post, your very own Doug Baughknight, who puts himself forth as an expert on all things YTB said "By the way, since you couldn’t find it, maybe you can ask the kids here today where YTB said it was selling assets because it needed the money in the 10-Q. All those “responsible reporters” quoted that, yet nobodies been able to find it." Well, evidently he wasn't looking too hard for it, as it took me about 5 minutes to find it. If you would like to read it for yourself, here is a link for you: http://app.quotemedia.com/quotetools/showFiling.go?name=YTB%20INTERNATIONAL,%20INC.:%2010-Q,%20Sub-Doc%201,%20Page%2010&link=http%3A//quotemedia.10kwizard.com/filing.xml%3Frid%3D12%26ipage%3D5982717%26%26DSEQ%3D1%26SEQ%3D10%26SQDESC%3DSECTION_PAGE%26num%3D10%26doc%3D1&cp=on. I don't know how much plainer it can be.
So, my dear Anonymous, until YOU know what's really going on, you would be better served refraining from commenting both here and on scam.com on things that it is apparent that YOU don't understand.
Well, now, Ainsworth, do you know who bought the jet? Maybe it's another Tomer/Sorenson company, in which case, maybe it really hasn't been "sold" but just transfered... John says this company bought it:
ReplyDeleteEspectra Aviation Inc
Dover, DE
Do we know who these people are?
No, Ann, I don't know this company. I just know that the jet was sold, or is in the process of being sold, as confirmed by SEC filings.
ReplyDeleteFor those that do not believe that YTB has sold the jet, this is straight from the latest 10-Q:
ReplyDelete"Effective as of November 12, 2008, the Company entered into an offer (the “Offer”) to purchase with Espectra Aviation Inc. (the “Buyer”) to sell a 1980 Learjet 35A aircraft. The purchase price is $900,000 of which $100,000 of earnest money was deposited by the Buyer and is being held in escrow until the closing. The closing of the Offer is contingent upon a satisfactory inspection of the aircraft and the execution of a mutually agreeable purchase agreement between the parties."
I have searched the net for information on Espectra Avaition without success.
Contrary to what the DAD Den Leader says on his blog, the 10Q does indeed state that they have entered into a purchase agreement for the property in Edwardsville and to sell the plane.
ReplyDeleteBoth agreements are attached at the end of the filing:
10.1 Sales Contract, effective as of November 6, 2008, by and between Prestige Management Services, LLC and the
Company with respect to that real property and certain office equipment located at One Country Club View,
Edwardsville, Illinois 62025, incorporated by reference to the Company’s Current Report on Form 8-K, Exhibit
10.1, filed with the SEC on November 12, 2008.
10.2 Offer to Purchase, effective as of November 12, 2008, by and between Espectra Aviation Inc. to sell a 1980 Learjet
35A aircraft.
Reading the ENTIRE 10Q can be quite enlightening. It has all kinds of information that isn't shown on the quickie Yahoo Finance report. Here is a link to the WHOLE thing: http://app.quotemedia.com/quotetools/showFilingOutline.go?symbol=YTBLA&name=YTB INTERNATIONAL, INC.: 10-Q&cp=on&link=http%3A//quotemedia.10kwizard.com/contents.xml%3Fipage%3D5982717
ReplyDeleteIf people would just read it, instead of making statements such as what Doug did, a lot of all this back and forth can be done away with. Instead, people would rather just look at the "quickie" version, and not understand anything about what is really going on with this company.
My fellow Anonymous/YTB Shill:
ReplyDeleteThis is indicative of just how much attention you pay to ANYTHING!
"I saw on Fox news last night the the execs of the three big banks flew to congress to ask for bailout money in their private jets and now they are getting blasted for it. YTB is neither asking for a bailout and selling the jet."
The "three big banks"? It is what is know as "The Big Three" - Ford, Chrysler, and GM!
Hey John! Do you have the N number on the Jet? You can trace it through the FAA's website.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeleteMy fellow Anonymous/YTB Shill:
This is indicative of just how much attention you pay to ANYTHING!
"I saw on Fox news last night the the execs of the three big banks flew to congress to ask for bailout money in their private jets and now they are getting blasted for it. YTB is neither asking for a bailout and selling the jet."
The "three big banks"? It is what is know as "The Big Three" - Ford, Chrysler, and GM!'
Oh for crying out loud I meant the car companies. I heard it in passing and with all the companies asking for bailouts I got it mixed up when I relayed it. That doesn't change the meaning of the comment. Get over yourselves. And if YOU payed any attention you would see that it has already been pointed out.
"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteHey John! Do you have the N number on the Jet? You can trace it through the FAA's website."
Wow! That's awesome! Did you know that we landed on the moon too?!!! Anon, people have been able to look-up aircraft N-Numbers for years.
Anonymous said... Oh for crying out loud I meant the car companies. I heard it in passing and with all the companies asking for bailouts I got it mixed up when I relayed it.
ReplyDeleteUh huh, yeah. Keep telling yourself that.
Truth of the matter is, Anonymous, you didn't know what you were talking about in reference to what is going on in Washington, and you don't know what you're talking about in regards to YOUR OWN COMPANY. I think YOU are the one that needs to get over yourself, especially considering that you can't even come up with some sort of original, even fake, screen name. Hell, even Conrad was able to come up with Firemedic!
Properly read the statement says:
ReplyDelete"The Company is also evaluating the sale of certain non-core assets and
The Company is also evaluating raising new capital for future operations."
Improperly read the statement does not say:
"The company is also evaluating the sale of certain non-core assets to raise money"
SWR Travel said...
ReplyDeleteProperly read the statement says:
"The Company is also evaluating the sale of certain non-core assets and
The Company is also evaluating raising new capital for future operations."
Improperly read the statement does not say:
"The company is also evaluating the sale of certain non-core assets to raise money"
Rod, I am reporting on what is in the report filed with the SEC. If they meant something different than what was stated, then why didn't they just plainly state it? They said what they said, and they meant what they said. No one has read anything improperly. This is a legal document, therefore, and I'm sure ytb's accountants and lawyers know this, you must state what is meant. You can't state something, and then come back and say "well, what we really meant was.....".
SWR--that is the problem, YTBers tend to make up their own definitions of what things mean. Think what you will.
ReplyDeleteSWR Travel said...
ReplyDeleteProperly read the statement says:
"The Company is also evaluating the sale of certain non-core assets and
The Company is also evaluating raising new capital for future operations."
Improperly read the statement does not say:
"The company is also evaluating the sale of certain non-core assets to raise money"
------
Actually, the impreciseness of the English Language also allows the sentence to be parse to mean:
"The company is also evaluating the sale of certain non-core assets for future operations"
and
"The company is also evaluating raising new capital for future operations."
So, we'll let the legal beagles and linguistic experts fight out which meaning is correct. I still think the 10-Q shows that YTB is selling assets to raise cash.
"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteSWR--that is the problem, YTBers tend to make up their own definitions of what things mean. Think what you will."
Now that's hilarious to say that "YTBers tend to make up their own definitions".
You guys do it DAILY. I have pointed out several times that there are FACTS and then there are MEANINGS of which the MEANINGS are ALL made up. Different people make up different meanings to the facts they encounter and the facts posted on here are pretty much always spun to have negative meanings here. But it's expected here now and that's why we come to the lion's den to debate the meanings.
So if Steve decided to attach the meaning that "the 10-Q shows that YTB is selling assets to raise cash" then that's the meaning he has decided to attach to the FACT that YTB is selling the plane and the land. I choose to attach the meaning that they are being responsible. Neither of us are wrong though.
FM, in your wisdom, and their being responsible, why else would they be selling the real estate and the jet? FOR THE CASH. That's the whole point. As stated in the 10Q, "...the Company has incurred losses from operations for the nine months ended September 30, 2008 of $3,351,570." As also stated in the 10Q, as of 9/30/08, the company was in the RED by $3,429,229. They have to get money from somewhere, so they started by laying off people, they made some changes in management techniques, etc. How else are they going to raise money?
ReplyDeleteFM will you go read the WHOLE 10-Q THEN come back before posting? GGeeeez
ReplyDeleteThe link is provided for you. Funny. Info is posted and you are going AGAINST what Yahoo Finance, SEC Filings, 10-Q Reports and Biz Reports say. This is laughable that you argue against your own companies facts.
How about this? FM what do YOU understand these statements to mean you great YTBer you:
"The company is also evaluating the sale of certain non-core assets for future operations"
and
"The company is also evaluating raising new capital for future operations."
Tell us what you come to understand so we can all be quiet.lol
FM - better question -
ReplyDeleteWhat is the wisdom in selling these assets for a loss? I mean, what is the explanation other than desperation?
I do not believe you even attempt to answer this.
Real CTA in MD
Okay okay! YTB is over three million in the red, they have some big legal bills to pay, not to mention day to day expenses, and they don't need the money from the jet or building. They are just selling them so they can build more foam stuff and not have to hit up the REPs and RTAs for lunch money. Makes perfect sense.
ReplyDeleteAT/Kit why are you posting as Anonymous?
ReplyDeleteLet me clarify the FACT about YTB selling the assets. Yes, I will agree that YTB selling the assets also raises money. But I don't think that it was the sole intent to raise money. The office was sold because the new one is about done. Yes they lost money on the deal but so did a friend of mine that just bought a salon where I live. He lost about 30% on what he paid for it 2 years ago. The plane is just too much of an expense considering the economy and the state of the down business. It is responsible to sell both.
So to requalify the statement: The FACT is that YTB is selling the stuff. The meaning behind it that they are selling it to raise money because YTB is "bleeding" is made up.
"What is the wisdom in selling these assets for a loss? I mean, what is the explanation other than desperation?"
So would it have been wiser to sit on these things, racking up taxes and upkeep for who knows how long, just waiting for the market to jump back up? Nothing is ever guaranteed to be sold for a profit so the fact that they sold it for less does not necessarily indicate "desperation".
The market's been going up today, but YTB is down by just over 20% at 4pm. Wake up and smell the coffee!!!!
ReplyDeleteYTB INTL INC CL A(OTC BB: YTBLA.OB)
ReplyDeleteLast Trade: 0.31
Trade Time: 3:52PM ET
Change: 0.03 (8.82%)
firemedic said...The meaning behind it that they are selling it to raise money because YTB is "bleeding" is made up.
ReplyDeleteAnd you don't consider that a company that is over $3M in the red to be bleeding money? At what point do the losses have to be at before you consider them bleeding?
"AT/Kit why are you posting as Anonymous?"
ReplyDeleteHey you ahole I personally know AT and talk to her on a regular basis. You aren't worth the ground she walks on. She has been out of town with the family. You are making assumptions again. I am the one who posted today. Get a freakin life you troll....
Well, too, maybe they wouldn't be over $3M in the hole if they hadn't made the ego purchase of the plane, and had to pay upkeep all these months. I'm sure all that money spent, had it been saved, would make the bottom line look better.
ReplyDeleteFM is right in a way. YTB is selling unnecessary assets because business is down and they need the money. I would do the same thing if I had a jet.
ReplyDeleteBut, Eddie. FM doesn't think they're selling all this stuff because they need money, as evidenced by his statement "But I don't think that it was the sole intent to raise money."
ReplyDeleteHe says that the reason they're selling the office building is because their new one is about to be done, and selling the plane because they don't really need it, and why pay for it if they don't need it. My question is, if they don't need it now, why did they need it then?
Generally, you don't sell assets at a loss unless you need to, but maybe YTB is showing the world they can take a loss on assets, they can be deeply in the red because they WANT to be.
ReplyDeleteI know that's strange but maybe coach is showing that losing money is a good thing for YTB. You think it might be some kind of wierd method of increasing the recruiting opportunity? Ya know...pity?
My question is for the person who wrote the post and all the nay sayers on this blog YTB showed their financials. LET the world see YOURS!!
ReplyDeletePrivate companies are not required to disclose any of it so they won't.
ReplyDeleteYTB chose to be a public company so their info is out there for everyone to see. Had they not gone that route, there likely would be little to discuss, but because of repeated management blunders that consistently impact the financial health of the company, there is an awful lot to discuss.
Even one of your not so independent Board members quit saying that it was too tightly controlled and that he had no way to influence any decision making.
Of course...that's the next thing YTBers will say. Show us your financials. Chill do you have a job? Did you refuse employment until they showed you their financials? When you ate at a resturant did you refuse to eat there until you saw their financials? How about the gas station, or Expedia or any other company you deal with.
ReplyDeleteNice try. Unless you provide financials you are not a legit business guys.
Eddie if they did that type of reverse stuff, I'd say they are still acting arrogant.
"Anonymous said...
ReplyDelete"AT/Kit why are you posting as Anonymous?"
Hey you ahole I personally know AT and talk to her on a regular basis. You aren't worth the ground she walks on. She has been out of town with the family. You are making assumptions again. I am the one who posted today. Get a freakin life you troll...."
LOL! Right.
firemedic said...
ReplyDelete"Anonymous said...
"AT/Kit why are you posting as Anonymous?"
Hey you ahole I personally know AT and talk to her on a regular basis. You aren't worth the ground she walks on. She has been out of town with the family. You are making assumptions again. I am the one who posted today. Get a freakin life you troll...."
"LOL! Right"
Here is yet another example of a personal attack by the innocent, nice guy FM and insinuating that a poster on here is a liar. But according to FM, he never does this. lmao
I find it interesting that this has been up over 24 hours, and not one person from ytb has been able to definitively refute the arguement.
ReplyDeleteThey never do. T's
ReplyDelete'I don't have anything to prove to you' card or the
'Woe is me you all are personally attacking me' card or
deflect by making statements like ' lol, right.' or 'these posts are getting lamer and lamer.'
or disappear until the next discussion.
firemedic is so concerned about who is who here and lobbing his insults & conspiracy theories about posters that he doesn't address the original question. Typical YTB MO deflect, defect, deflect....
ReplyDeleteI perused Tracy's YTB recruiting site. There are so many lies and half truths on there. 60% commission from booking her Disney vacation with YTB is one of them. Disney pays 10% commission and she gets 60% of that and YTB gets 40%. You do the Math. There are other inconsistencies in the site as well. No wonder she is being threatened. Lying and half truths to get people to sign up under you is morally and ethically not right.
ReplyDeleteLying to to recruit your down line and to fatten your wallet would tend to tick people off. She has no one to blame but herself and her unethical recruiting for a SCAM company.
http://www.teamubiquity.com/aboutus.htm